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[-] CantStopPoppin@lemmy.one 57 points 1 year ago

If they are allowed to do these other countries will follow suit. This is a dangerous precedent in which no one is safe regardless of boarders.

[-] Bucket_of_Truth@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

During the 2020 protests in Portland, Or the US Marshalls flew a plane equipped cell phone snooping equipment over downtown for hours every day. The equipment acts as a mock cell tower so mobile phone traffic in the area gets routed through their tools before going to an actual tower. It also collects data from wifi in the area, in addition to whatever unknown abilities it has. This was around the time anonymous federal agents were picking up people off the streets in white vans and hiding in bushes shooting pepperballs at people walking by.

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[-] nicomart@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

What kind of Orwellian shit is the french government pulling?

[-] VanillaDrink@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Look up the Pegasus Project. Governments have already been doing this. Now, they're just doing it more openly.

[-] onparole@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

At least what the French are doing is in the open. I remember when the ~~US~~ Echelon program was leaked, what is their government up to now?

[-] EmperorHenry@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

The fact that they're doing it out in the open is what really concerns me.

What are they doing in the dark if they're okay with telling on themselves about this?

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[-] golamas1999@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago

This is the same government that says using an ad blocker, vpn, custom rom, linux and or encrypted messaging service puts you at higher suspicion of being a terrorist.

I see them enacting these policies now as the large number of pro labor protests fighting the government all over the country on pensions “reform”.

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[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Phones should be turned off or left at home anyways when protesting. Here are my 10 commandments for engaging in protests:

1: never bring your wallet/ID. If you need to buy things, bring cash

2: either shut off your phone or leave it with your wallet. Recording police violence can be useful, in that case get the aclu app, a burner phone with the app, or an action camera

3: never speak to police under any circumstance

4: you can beat the charge but you can't beat the ride

5: bring water, it's more useful than for just drinking

6: bring hats, sunglasses, etc to avoid being identified by the state if it gets violent

7: wear good running shoes

8: know your rights, both federal and local, and when to use them

9: take out any contact lenses in case police use tear gas

10: stay aware of your surroundings; listen to picket line enforcers/community organizers

[-] Mr_Figtree@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

These are all fine in the US, but in other countries not carrying proof of identity can get you into some trouble, as can refusing to talk to the police. Know your local laws.

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[-] Secret300@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

It bugs me that people will bitch about privacy all day but won't do anything about it. Most people just go Image

[-] phikshun@lemmy.fmhy.ml 26 points 1 year ago

Yeah but you guys still have the guillotines in storage or something though, right? Might be time to dust them off.

[-] HallowellNash@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

WTF Macron? What happened to “Liberté, égalité, fraternité”? This is some “bullshité” if you ask me.

[-] admin@lemmy.magnor.ovh 12 points 1 year ago

He never gave a shit.

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[-] AwesomeSteve@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

I wonder if Apple will make a public statement on this.

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[-] Harpuajim@lemmy.fmhy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

Did anyone actually read the article or did we all just head straight for the comments section after reading the headline?

[-] MrFlamey@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

If we team up, only one of us has to read the article and can write the TLDR so we can hit the comments quicker!

[-] McJonalds@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

this became reddit faster than i expected!

[-] tlf@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago

Read it, didn't give information to dampen the initial outrage. Six months only for a dozen or so cases and not against doctors or journalist doesn't sound that convincing to me. A judge must grant permission also doesn't help imo as the act is still is a major privacy violation to all those who interact with the subject in any way.

[-] RaLiChu@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago

The French government is pulling a "if you got nothing to hide, don't worry about it".

They say it's gonna be limited to "when appropriate" but history shows whenever this sort of system is implemented, it's scope of "when appropriate" gets broaden pretty quickly.

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 8 points 1 year ago

Did you? Headline sums it nicely to be honest. Only it's not just phones. It opens all same horror show of digital freedoms / privacy the headline implies. Awful development.

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[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago

The Orbánization of the European right continues.

[-] hOrni@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Wasn't "not making this a thing" a point in The Dark Knight?

[-] queermunist@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

They tried, but "violating everyone's privacy works" was also an inescapable point. Really undercut the message by making it so effective.

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[-] EmperorHenry@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

The NSA did it first

[-] Yoz@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Can't even jerkoff in peace now without someone watching

[-] Pumpkinbot@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

You say that like it's a bad thing. 😏

[-] jags0333@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

Found Louis C.K.

[-] coffeewithalex@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Read the article. Title is clickbait. It's only with approval from a judge. You know, alternatively they could just arrest and imprison the person, which is what every country is doing. Not saying it's without worrying, but there's important nuance that most are missing.

P.S.

Absolute extremist attitudes like "nobody should be able" and so on, have absolutely no place in modern society. There's always nuance. Libertarianism doesn't work, and laws must be enforced. It sucks, but when there are forces that want to hurt people and destabilize societies, you can't go by the rule that everyone is a saint. The world will punish this attitude.

Yes, the world isn't perfect, but for ducks sake, quit sensationalizing anecdotes and representing them as "this always happens". That's dishonest.

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

So? Even with a warrant, thats not a power that people should have. No one, warrant or not, should be able to remotely activate your phone/camera/etc and monitor it. The fact that power exists means smart phones are an even bigger personal safety and privacy threat than they already were.. and if police can do it with a warrant, then there are gonna be people who figure out how to do it without one and for far more malicious reasons.

[-] Void_Sloth@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

Ah yes it's ok to violate my rights, as long as a judge approves it.

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[-] admin@lemmy.magnor.ovh 27 points 1 year ago

I live in France. The government here is using every single tool they have to prosecute radical leftists and environmentalists while ignoring the fact that more than 60 % of the police force has fascist adjacent ideals. I do not want these people spying on me, period. This is not some libertarian horseshit, trust me.

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[-] eldavi@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

we have that same nuance here in the united states and it's be shown that the judge's approval is nothing more than a rubber stamp.

[-] Pagliacci@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

I don't think you solve one problem by introducing another problem. The solution to over-criminalization is to decriminalize things. If a person is a danger to society, charge them with a crime and let a jury of their peers decide their guilt. Hacking into someone's property so that you can spy on them is absolutely not an alternative worth entertaining.

[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

If the good guys can do it, even by the books, imagine what the bad guys can do.

Laws must be enforced, but not by treating privacy like a wet rag.

Persinally I hope we'll see some mainstream devices that comes with a hardware toggle for the mic and a manual privacy shutter for the cameras.

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[-] vita_man@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

This is scary because it could be exploited very easily by bad actors and is a huge invasion of privacy

[-] Kichae@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

This is coming in the wake of protests against pension reform being rammed through and riots over police killing kids.

There's zero reason to believe "being exploited by bad actors" isn't the point.

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[-] KingCrimson@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Damn France and Macron are really leaning into the authoritarianism lately

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[-] Navarian@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

I've never been so happy to have the ability to root my phone and flash a new OS onto it. This shit is absolutely insane, I'm surprised there isn't more eyes on this from non-profits globally.

[-] lauha@lemmy.one 10 points 1 year ago

I've never been so happy to have the ability to root my phone and flash a new OS onto it.

Worry not, citizen! Soon they'll make that illegal too. :)

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[-] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago

Modern Tech plus AI - authoritarian regimes can't ever be overthrown.

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[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 10 points 1 year ago

But lawmakers agreed to the bill late Wednesday as Justice Minister Eric Dupond-Moretti insisted the bill would affect only “dozens of cases a year.”

Precisely why it should not be passed! That's not a good reason at all. It's not worth eroding people's rights if it only affects a few cases in my personal opinion. It shows that the law doesn't need to exist in the first place.

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[-] TicklishRocket@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Not quite done with the last riot and want a new one it seems.

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