by But Trumpers
Of the two people who actually have a chance at winning, both will continue to kill kids abroad. Only one of them actually wants me killed though so I won't vote for him--in fact, I think I'll vote against him.
this post was submitted on 27 Aug 2024
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"Do you know how many more dead children I will enable by supporting the greater evil?" - Average 'Bothsides' Genius
Conservatives have realized they're losing on the single issue gimmick of right to choose. They are trying very hard to make the Israeli Genocide the new single issue to vote over.
Which is weird since Trump has actively encouraged Israel to "Finish the problem."
Monday morning marching orders.
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Yeah, better off pitching her as the person you want to be protesting against.
Sorry about the down votes. I'm old enough to remember when war was considered a bad idea by progressives. I refuse to believe that bombing the middle east is the best solution we can come up with. It's been decades and nothing is better.
Yeah, I’m not going to vote for the people that are bombing the Middle East. But that’s mainly because I am not Israeli and don’t participate in their elections.
And where does that put the US for sending 50k Tons of munitions. I agree that the immediate moral culpability is with the person firing the missiles, but how many more bombed hospitals and dead kids before the US says, "no more".
Downvote away, but the district that is represented in that clip sure as fuck isn't going to come out to vote for the Democrats. It's not like Michigan has a huge Palestinian community and is a critical swing state with a history being ignored by the Democratic party, right? Right?
How much of that is progressives just trying to get a foot hold in an ever increasing far-right government?
Like it or not context is important. If we could all agree, on anything, sure things could get better. As it stands now we have to turn back the clock on 50 years of neolibs failing only then progress can actually happen.
Maybe if they ran on popular policies like ending interventionist foreign policy, reforming the migration system to allow more legal pathways, ending the police terror of communities of color, and codifying female bodily autonomy into law, it wouldn't be a coin flip every 4 years. But they don't.
Instead, they chase after the mythical center that moves further right every year. If it makes you feel productive to vote for that, then by all means.
I'm just surprised that this community thinks the woman who just dropped her progressive positions on weed, immigration, criminal justice reform, and fracking is going to do anything meaningfully progressive in the face of escalating wars and a few years before irreversible ecological collapse.
Or was the foot in the door Joe Biden, the guy who was against integrated bussing in the 80s?
Or was it Obama, the man who was against gay marriage in 2008 and then bombed and deported more people than Bush?
How many more times should I "fall in line" before I'm allowed to be upset that widely popular issues like maternity leave, abortion rights, vacation guarantees, a higher minimum wage, etc are ignored?
Can we not have a discussion about how fucked US foreign policy without devolving into "orange man bad?" Things simply are not that binary.
Personally, I would find it hard to vote for anyone who supports the US military industrial complex because all I'll be able to remember is my buddy who lost eleven cousins in a single night in Raffa.
"Why would america let this happen?" is all he could say in his broken English and I'll never forget his wailing. Or the children fleeing the war in Syria whom I met in refugee camps in Greece-- a war that was the inevitable result of these decades of neoliberal, reactionary foreign policy.
How many more times should I “fall in line” before I’m allowed to be upset that widely popular issues like maternity leave, abortion rights, vacation guarantees, a higher minimum wage, etc become real?
Be honest, you've never fell in line.
Not that you should. Cart or horse it doesn't matter anymore. The fascists are pushing us off a cliff. It's not run of the mill. It's not in line with what we've seen the conservatives try and get away with in the past. The mask is off and the fact that they can still thrive in this environment should scare you.
I want the same movement as you do but two does not make a stampede.
I don't have the answer but I want to find the answer. As of right now, we need more time.