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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 197 points 3 months ago (3 children)

"So what's wrong with me, doc?"

"Says here you strongly oppose injustice, have an increased range of empathy, and are completely immune to mind control tricks."

"Isn't that good?"

"Afraid not."

[–] the_best_nerd@lemmy.blahaj.zone 139 points 3 months ago (2 children)

believing yourself immune to suggestion is one of the greatest vulnerabilities against suggestion tbh

[–] kopasz7@lemmy.world 58 points 3 months ago

Nah, I won't believe you.

[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Rule no. 1: People are stupid. A person will believe a lie because they want it to be true, or they fear it might be true. A person's head if full of information, most of it is wrong. People are also convinced that they are perfectly able to determine truth from lies, which makes them all the easier to fool.

Bonus points if you get the reference without googling it.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Lol, I’m the autistic where I just believe other people. Shockingly, it’s worked out poorly.

[–] canihasaccount@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago (4 children)

You're normal in that respect:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/aur.1962

In fact, the idea that autistic individuals are immune to propaganda is, itself, media propaganda. The study that those articles report on was a single study that found that autistic individuals show less of a framing effect on their own preferences. It's much more easily explained by autistic individuals having strong, internal preferences for their own likes/dislikes than it is by autistic individuals being immune to propaganda.

Speaking from experience here, too.

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[–] i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 months ago

Same. If it wasn't true, why would they say it?

I am... Not smart lol.

[–] addictedtochaos@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago

i am really naive. i hate that. i made many mistakes by trusting people.

[–] addictedtochaos@lemm.ee 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

it makes you shitty in flirting and smalltalk, at least thats what i experience

[–] isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

x: your eyes are as bright as a star

my dumbass: actually, did you know that the sun outputs 3.83×10^26^ W? that's so much that the energy output by the Sun in just one hour could power the Earth for about 56.1 trillion years at the current global consumption rate. Or, if you ....blah blah blah something something Kardashev scale....

yeaaaa not my proudest move

[–] addictedtochaos@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I had women coming up to me, smooching with me a couple of times, i didnt even knew them, saw them for the first time. and I still was like well, thats as far as it goes, must be joke or something, dosn't she know i am like, really unthrusworthy and shit?

(in a social setting of course)

one time, a women send me a message that she just moved, and if i wanted to proof sleep her bed?

I took that as a joke, that person must not be very good at it, as if people talked like that, what does she think of me, why is she pulling my leg? better write something funny but nonccommital back"

one time, in art class, there was this naked model we drew. when we were done we had a little party, because it was christmas, she sat on my lap the whole time and complemented me on my drwaing and stuff. I mean, it was kinda drunk and raunchy?

never saw her again.

one time, i was in this train to wacken, it was coincidence, i had nothing to do with wacken. but those guys started drinking in the ICE bar, and well, it was a real party. some cute chick comes up to me, doesnt talk to me, just kisses me on the mouth and stuff. never even talked to her.

i shit you not, i have a couple more of these stories.

the funny part? i had one girlfriend in life. I had a really hard time trusting her, you know, understanding her. i cant be with people i dont know.

[–] pixelscript@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

On the other hand, if you average the Sun's energy generation across its entire volume and adjust for that volume's mass, an equivalent mass of human body tissue generates more heat energy.

So your eyes may not have the raw lumen output of an entire star; but, pound for pound, your eyes would outshine a similarly massive piece of one.

[–] addictedtochaos@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

i kinda do no get it, can you explain it in some other way?

like, 100 kilos of sun would generate less heat energy than 100 kilos of me?

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[–] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 119 points 3 months ago

Resisting peer pressure is easy if your peers never try to pressure you. Or hang out with you. Or talk to you.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 87 points 3 months ago

tips forehead

Gotta have peers to get peer pressured.

[–] driving_crooner 61 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Adults: people would try to pressure you into drugs.

Adults with drugs after being rejected: "I got you! no problem"

Adults with alcohol after being rejected: "what do you mean you don't like alcohol?? Just try it! You're going to like it!!"

[–] addictedtochaos@lemm.ee 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

i had to quit a whole friend group, because i quit drinking when i switchted to ritalin,

after a while they were saying that ritalin changed my personality to the worse kind. I realized they didnt like it when I said "no" and wouldnt budge. Or when i spoke my mind, or when I just left a situation when i had enough. or when i didnt want to go to bars anymore, or sitting aroung and listening to their drunk talk.

before ritalin, i was drunk almost everytime we hung out together.

i think the last time i drank a glas of whine was last chrismas; and before that, i has one year without alcohol.

i drank like 10 liters of beer each week for more then ten years. sometimes less.

[–] isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

as someone who just doesn't like the taste of alcohol, being the only sober guy in a friend group where everyone's drunk sucks so much

[–] velvetThunder@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Does it suck enough to learn how to mix good tasting cocktails?

[–] isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 months ago

hell nah I'm just gonna sip on some water and patiently wait for the moment where I'm suddenly treated as their savior for still being able to drive

[–] addictedtochaos@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

the screaming matches were pretty fun, i loved them. but what i hated is the logic break down, the repeating of things, and the fact that i cant put a word in sometimes, i say half a sentence and get judged immediatly, without the other side letting me explain what i have in mind. and the loud music was so draining, i could only take it one hour or so.

[–] Ellvix@lemmy.world 41 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Same with ads. Never could figure out why they did anything.

[–] citrusface@lemmy.world 103 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (14 children)

Ads are subliminal and you are kidding yourself if you think you are immune.

Edit - except for perfume ads, those are pointless.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 39 points 3 months ago

Ads can only do so much subliminally. The biggest thing is getting you to know about the brand for when you want to buy that type of product. You're more primed to think of their products first. Second is triggering insecurities that make you want to buy that type of product more. In that case, you can train to resist by paying specific attention to the ad and what it's trying to do.

At this point, ads do more to make me dislike a product than make me want to use it. If it's something I found early and actually like, I know that its days are numbered and it'll go downhill thanks to corporate rot. If it's something I know nothing about, I want to avoid it and look for alternatives if I ever need that type of product. If it's something that preys on the vulnerable or is morally repugnant or is just flat out annoying, it only reinvigorates my hatred for capitalism.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 35 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Look at this sexy woman. Look at this cool refreshing air conditioner she's next to. Isn't she sexy? Isn't it nice stepping in from the heat to stand next to an air conditioner? So anyway. Associate coca cola with all the feelings you're feeling

[–] Jimbo@yiffit.net 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Look at this sexy woman. So anyway. Associate coca cola with all the feelings you're feeling

Any ace person: So, complete apathy at best?

[–] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 3 months ago (2 children)

it must suck that air conditioners don't work on ace people

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Well it does stand for air conditioning excepted

[–] mossy_@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

It actually blows

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[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I am not immune they are distracting my thoughts and stirring my deep hate for them.

Ads are assault. Adblock is accessibility.

Ethical advertisements can exist, its super rare.

[–] Phen 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

With all the information that Google knows about us and everything, they could in theory be doing a great job suggesting things that would be great for us - for example showing me a product or service I don't know exists which would help me with some problem I may be having.

Google pretends that it's what they do - showing the best possible ads for us. But what they do is the complete opposite, they find the best possible users to show their ads to. They have a responsibility to the ad, not to the user.

[–] addictedtochaos@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

its more isidious than that; they show you the ad that makes the most money for them. regardless if you need it or not.

[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The ads are subliminally manipulating the sort function of my spreadsheet that calculates the unit cost of every product in a category.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're kidding yourself if you think I'm kidding myself.

[–] MiltownClowns@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're kidding, I'm kidding myself.

[–] citrusface@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's kidding all the way down.

[–] MiltownClowns@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] citrusface@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 months ago
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[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Arguably for a lot of stuff that folk encounter that some count as "subliminal" just means they don't understand the language and employ of framing devices, juxtaposition, abstraction or rhetoric. We need to start teaching that shit as basic literacy in schools because once you understand them it's not "subliminal" anymore as it becomes readable text.

The simple presence of an ad in your peripheral vision definitely counts as properly subliminal though and it's still a menace.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

🤓 They dont! Or rather they do much less than they used to, and the effect of all the product hype has been deteriorating since anthromorphic cigarette boxes have been letting you know a particular brand exists and you may like it during the half-hour show intermission in the fifties.

We're not completely sure why, because it's complicated. For one thing, while were blasting adults with ads, we're also desensitizing the next generation from the same intensity, so to influence them we have to up the hype, and guess what that does to their kids.

Another factor is competition. Even ads for non-competing products are still competing for your time, your memory, your attention, so while Coke and Coors are trying to tell you what to drink you're still thinking about the hot woman in the Toyota ad. PS Sex sells, but mostly it sells sex. People remember the hottie twerking on screen, not that Raytheon sponsored her. If we're thinking about banging the green M&M, we're not thinking of her as tasty chocolate candy.

And then there's the matter that ads now try to convince you you need this product rather than simply informing you this brand exists, and you might like it, on the assumption you're already on the market for a new hair shampoo. And the advertising sector is saturated with false products, e.g. shampoos that allegedly (but don't actually) make you irresistibly sexy to hottie passersby, rather than merely clean your hair. So we trust modern household products the way we trust politicians.

Advertisers have been losing the war for your attention since the fifties, which [each] successive more expensive ad campaign being less effective than the last, all the while further enshittifying the medium space they occupy.

Curiously, bad decisions by marketers are compounded by bad decisions by upper management, who insist on unethically sourcing their materials and labor to make shoddy products and then blame their marketing team when their business model tanks.

/🤓

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago

If we're thinking about banging the green M&M, we're not thinking of her as tasty chocolate candy.

Hey, speak for yourself.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago

You can't be peer pressured if you don't have any friends temple tap

[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

For a time i had a black document suitcase as a school bag because i was cool. (somehow no one thought that was cool)

[–] addictedtochaos@lemm.ee 9 points 3 months ago

I DESPERATLY wanted to be like the other kids, so pressure wasn't even a factor.

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