But he said the launch also raises questions around how Huawei managed to launch the phone when it has spent the past four years under US restrictions banning access to 5G technology. “While access to 5G for the chipset is one thing, I’m not sure how the company managed to source all the other components that need to go into a 5G smartphone, such as power amps, switches and filters,” he said.

Love that America's 21st century cold war is fully predicated on the assumption that China does not have the ability to develop its own productive capacity.

I can't tell if this is the usual coordinated anti-China prop or a big ad buy from Huawei, because the net effect is I really want a Huawei phone now

I think that the US government must be freaking out right now because I suspect they had a strategy to hamper the Chinese military tech development by cutting off their supply of cutting-edge semiconductors, and it looks like their plan may be starting to fall apart.

I'm trying to figure out whether this is a good thing because it will provide China with more deterrence, should it be a mass produced domestic semiconductor which is catching up on the best semiconductors that Taiwan and the west can produce, or if it's bad news because it will encourage the US to accelerate their plans for war with China.

I guess I just hope that China can break ahead and reach escape velocity before the US can advance to the point where it feels ready to execute its plans for war.

Kirin 9000S is equivalent to the Snapdragon 865, GPU is equivalent to 888. Only mobile chip to support multi-threading, probably because it's a modified server chip.

Really impressive. It's faster than the Google Tensor G2 when power consumption is equalized. Tensor sucks but still the best that Google has to offer despite having no sanctions to deal with.

This is way better than the earlier domestic produced Chinese silicon I've seen (full sized desktop GPUs). The domestic GPUs seemed really bad so this a huge leap in the last 6 months. The GPU in this phone is probably better than the full size GPU I saw lol.

On a side note I want to know how well China's AI chips are doing. Nvidia seems to have an impossible lead right now over AMD, AI model training seems like a huge priority for national security and tech so it would be very interesting to see how they're doing compared to consumer chips.

I didn't realize that the chip embargo was just targeting 5G. What an absurd move. It's a completely unimportant technology, why is that where you draw the line in the sand? And it's not some incredibly advanced thing that's hard to replicate, it's just a communications standard embedded on a chip. The only thing this embargo does is force China to arbitrarily build this specific supply chain entirely in their own country. Which China's rivals shouldn't even want! Having supply chains spread across dozens of countries makes it harder for all of those countries to go to war

If it's true that they're still a bit behind the cutting edge in lithography technology, then China is going to blow past the rest of the world in advanced semiconductors in the next 2-3 years. Wringing that kind of performance out of less precise lithography techniques means their chips will be better than western chips once they achieve parity in lithography technology, which will probably happen in the next 2-3 years. Before the end of the decade China is going to be decisively more technologically advanced than the US. It's fucking over.

US National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said during a White House press briefing Tuesday that the US needs “more information about precisely its character and composition” to determine if parties bypassed American restrictions on semiconductor exports to create the new chip.

"They couldn't have possibly made this, they had to have stolen it from us somehow."

I wonder how long before they do the classic thing of saying 👽s made it for them. Just like how there was no way the ancient Egyptians built the pyramids on their own so it had to be .

Communism is when iphone and now the CIA is losing their shit

Hater behavior

Also, even if the use did have concrete advantages, the us has chased so many chinese scientists and engineers out of the us. Those people still exist.

"China" didn't create the smartphone, a Chinese company did. And we won't be able to buy it or use it.