Orbit currently uses a version of Mistral LLM (Mistral 7B) that is locally hosted on Mozilla’s Google Cloud Platform instance.
Hmm.
>locally hosted
>Google Cloud
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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Sounds like they’re running their own LLM instance on googles cloud infrastructure vs using something like OpenAI via API.
As web dev parlance it makes sense but for marketing it is definitely confusing and they should do better.
Yeah, we "self-host" our app at AWS at work, which means we configure everything ourselves. I "self-host" a VPS at Hetzner for personal projects, and my actual data is actually self-hosted on a machine on my LAN.
Remember how the cloud is someone else’s server? Now you can buy it and bring it home, and it becomes only sorta someone else’s.
Amazon and Azure offer their own on-prem products.
"Locally hosted" means it's running on the local host. In this case, that would mean on the same computer running Firefox.
Calling something that is only accessible over the internet "locally hosted" is outrageous doublespeak.
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It just started and already have buzzwords floating around
Probably written by an AI?
https://orbitbymozilla.com/terms
4. Content
A. Content You Share
By using the Services, you represent that you will only share material (including Inputs) that you own and/or have the legal right to share and sublicense to others, including without limitation, content and data contained in any web-page shared through the Services to generate Outputs. When you submit your own content through the Services, you continue to own the rights to that content. You grant Mozilla a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, sub-license, prepare derivative works from, distribute, perform, and display the Inputs for the purpose of operating the Services.
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Yeah, that's a no-go. I probably wasn't going to use it anyway, but if it had a decent privacy policy, I might at least try it.
But no, not happening.
I don't want that. I want full control and absolute privacy. I do not want your AI reading my emails. Look at that summary, it's as long as the whole email, and you're not going to be able to trust that it picked up on the most important part of the email. This is not efficiency, this is novelty.
Well, you can just... not install the extension then?
I won't. But my concern is that Mozilla is heading in the wrong direction lately, and I have used Firefox for a very long time.
We always told them we want things to be optional, and now this is an extension so I dunno. Seems they're listening?
Yes, I'm glad this BS is an extension. I'm not happy that they're spending time on this vs projects people actually seem to want. AI appeared nowhere on the top-10 survey results, yet this is what they come up with. I just hope they didn't spend a ton of time on it.
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AI you can trust
Lost me there
Easily summarize emails
Haha "Give us access to all your emails for data and corporate espionage we pwomise nothing bad will be done with it!"
I sent in a support ticket asking them to save Firefox and stop all this AI bullshit
Orbit currently uses a version of Mistral LLM (Mistral 7B) that is locally hosted on Mozilla’s Google Cloud Platform instance.
So it connects to Google Cloud for this? What does that mean "locally", if its a Cloud Platform? And what does that mean "Mozilla's", if its Google? I'm a bit confused with this sentence.
Does it download and execute it locally offline or does it send the data to Google Cloud Platform?? The page is not clear about this and I searched for an answer. I have the same Mistral 7B model that I downloaded from HuggingFace website and can use offline with a specific GUI application. It would be nice if I could Firefox point to that file instead.
Otherwise, this does not look very promising and I wouldn't trust it at the moment.
Google Distributed Cloud allows you to run Google Cloud Platform locally in your own datacenter. They can deploy apps to that infrastructure and use the cloud console for management, or even use normal kubernetes tools for it.
Couldn’t say if that’s what they’re actually doing, but running Google Cloud locally is a thing.
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"Yeah sorry boss, i didn't actually read the email, instead i had an AI summarize it for me and it got a key detail wrong. Anyway what's a couple thousand dollars in lost sales right"
why are they promoting web-based mail when their email solution is thunderbird?
Thunderbird is more a community project that's outside of Mozilla's jurisdiction at this point
Thunderbird is built by a for-profit subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation, it just isn’t the Mozilla Corporation.
Thunderbird is an independent, community-driven project that is managed and overseen by the Thunderbird Council, which is elected by the Thunderbird Community.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Thunderbird
No. It's not.
Edit: sort of is, under a subsidiary called MZLA but still seems more independent from mozilla and their shenanigans (I hope)
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Fuck off
Well that's disappointing.
Just add it onto the pile of all the other stupid stuff Mozilla is doing I guess.
I find it kind of suspicious that the extension (the fake spot one to) are proprietary.
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Not available on mobile, which is sad. I consume 99% of my internet via mobile devices.
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