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Why do cell phones have a data limit but home internet doesn't? I understand bandwidth limits, but how can home internet get away with giving users all the data they can use, but cell phone providers can't?

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[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 105 points 6 days ago

In the past it was due to technical constraints.

Now it's just greed.

[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 105 points 6 days ago

cell phone providers can, they just won’t (would eat into their profits)

and most of the home internet sold as “unlimited” was a scam – if you started to get too close to some hidden value, they would start throttling your connection

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 54 points 6 days ago

'Member when Comcast was caught illegally using Sandvine in around 2006/2007 to illegally throttle or block BitTorrent traffic?

Pepperidge Farm Remembers.

[-] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

More recently, they throttled Netflix until they could extort them to pay for the traffic being used by their own customers, who were already paying Comcast for the very same data usage.

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[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago

Hm interesting, I've never run into issues with hidden throttling.

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago

AT&T asks the same question. They provide the bold option to pay more than the competition and get data limits on your home internet.

[-] mvirts@lemmy.world 31 points 5 days ago

My home Internet charges extra when I use more than 1 TB per month. Not sure but I think it's metered both up and down.

[-] Kaiyoto@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

I remember Comcast suddenly started enforcing a limit of about 1 TB some years ago when I had them. Realized it happened when I renewed my contract to get a lower price again for a promotional period. Apparently I agreed to a new contract or something that included the new limit. >:|

[-] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

FCC is looking into that, I think it was during Trump's administration

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[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

damn, I share almost a TB/day.

[-] BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network 39 points 6 days ago

Not all home internet is unlimited. In many US rural areas, home internet connections have a monthly cap just like mobile networks do. A higher cap costs more, if it's available at all.

[-] sawdustprophet@midwest.social 9 points 5 days ago

In many US rural areas, home internet connections have a monthly cap

And suburban, and urban. I've never lived anywhere that didn't have a cap.

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

And not all cell service is limited. I switched from cable to 5G fixed wireless, because I was tired of having a data cap. It's faster and cheaper too.

[-] Surp@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago

Caps are fake there's no need for them besides to build golden marble pillars outside CEOs mega mansions.

[-] I_Miss_Daniel@lemmy.world 31 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

For cell / mobile phones, you're sharing the capacity of the cell among multiple people.

In this example, a rural cell tower can provide up to 395Mbps.

It would only take 40 people watching Kayo at high definition (or any high definition video service) via their phone or a 4G router to saturate this tower.

For everyone else at this time, it'll still work but even though they might have a strong radio signal (lots of bars), the internet will become slow.

Limiting monthly usage, or charging more for more data per month, reduces the risk of saturation.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

There aren't going to be 40 people using that tower if it's truly a rural tower. If it isn't a rural tower then they can update it to handle more throughput. The issue isn't the towers, it's the companies wanting to keep using old tech to squeeze out as much profit as possible.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Both of you can be correct. The policy is prevalent to squeeze money out of consumers. However, it's also easy to imagine more than 40 people in a rural area using their phones for media purposes during PM times in 2024. There's less to do, internet availability might not exist for some or all residents, and people use their phone for everything now. Casting from a phone is a larger percent of viewing TV now.

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[-] Wxfisch@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago

In theory at least it’s because you pay for a specific bandwidth for home internet (the size of the pipe) but a specific amount of data for cellular (how much stuff you can get through a fixed sized pipe).

Home internet is a little unique in that way, almost all other utilities are consumption based with no real tiers in terms of how it’s delivered (you pay for the volume of water or gas you use, electricity is the same, just different units).

Networking equipment gets more expensive based on the bandwidth it supports, but it doesn’t much care how many bits you push through it. So ISPs charge based on their capacity to deliver those bits, and provide tiers at different price points. Cellular though is much more bandwidth constrained due to the technologies (and it used to be much more so before LTE and 5G), so it didn’t makes sense to charge you for slow or slower tiers. Instead the limiting factor is the capacity of a tower so by limiting data to small amounts it naturally discourages use. That model carried forward even now that the technologies support broadband speeds in some cases. As such and ISP could provide the biggest pipe (highest speed) to all homes and just charge based on consumption (they used to in the days of dial up, and satellite before starlink always has). Many ISPs instead are now double dipping though and charging for both.

[-] over_clox@lemmy.world 33 points 6 days ago

Umm, my home internet has a 50GB per month limit. Can't complain much though, it's cheap at literally $1 a day, and I'm not a gamer or online streamer.

[-] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 50 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

50GB a month though?? You don't use any video streaming services at all? What do you use for media?

[-] over_clox@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

I do browse through YT videos, but I don't bother watching full length movies. Honestly, I've lost interest in watching newer movies, seems like a waste of time to me. However, I do enjoy educational and scientific content.

[-] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 36 points 6 days ago

Wow I go through 50GB in less than a day. Sometimes an hour.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 32 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

That's more than $1.50 per Gigabyte.
When you download a game from Steam, most games you literally pay more for the data than for the game.
Even when you pirate, you pay like $15 for a BluRay quality movie

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[-] golli@lemm.ee 26 points 6 days ago

How is 1€/day cheap for such limited home Internet? I guess it might depend on where you are, but unless you are in the middle of nowhere that seems expensive.

Here in Germany for example, which really isn't known for its cheap internet, I can find options that offer 100Mbit Flatrates for 20€/month.

[-] njordomir@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

My German friends and family don't believe me when I tell them how expensive internet and phone is in the US. They all think it's expensive in Germany. Having said that, there are some big differences in take home pay.

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[-] Atemu@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 days ago

For ~$30 a month, that's a complete and utter rip-off.

Even here in Neuland Germany you get at least decent internet with no caps for that price.

[-] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Of course you can complain, I pay less than half what you do for unlimited cellular data.

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[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

You might want to ask Ajit Pai.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Fuck a shit pie.

(Also, whatever you do, never Google that phrase.)

[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I mean, wasn't gonna.

I'd have to look at Ajit Pai.

[-] Tyfud@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago

Home Internet usually doesn't have unlimited internet. There's usually caps baked in somewhere. Don't believe me? Read the fine print. At some point, at some bandwidth usage in the monthly cycle, they will throttle the living crap out of your connection. It's written into pretty much every contract I've ever signed, and I've been with over a dozen carriers of landline internet over the years.

The reason being that they don't want you serving websites or business class functionality with residential level internet. They didn't build their network with those constraints. They want you paying for and using the business internet package, which has dedicated bandwidth and no caps because you're paying for a dedicated line to be run.

For mobile phones? Old pricing models still trying to be relevant. There's no technical reason.

[-] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 14 points 6 days ago

Home internet has unlimited internet

It's not 2002

Well, maybe not in that....one.... country

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[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 20 points 6 days ago

money.

data caps are coming to home internet soon too and with inescapable hidden contracts; switch to an independent isp to avoid it before you're entrapped into one.

[-] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 6 days ago

Ah yes I'll just pick from one of the many ISPs in my area

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[-] Thteven@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago

I went over my home data cap a couple times. The ISP rep was not amused when I called to have them bump my speed down to the lowest tier and add unlimited data. I pay less now and the speed difference is not noticeable for me with daily usage. I told them I was going to download random crap all day, delete, and redownload out of spite lol.

[-] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Not all of them do, I've seen that in America data limits on home internet is common, and here in Europe unlimited phone data is common.

[-] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 13 points 6 days ago

Lots of home internet does have a data cap, but you might not realize it. Typically what will happen is that, once you hit your cap, you'll be rate throttled. That throttle might not affect most video streaming since Netflix is really good at video compression, but you'll see the hit if you are, for instance, downloading large games from PSN, Steam, etc.

[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 6 days ago
[-] jbrains@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago

Where are my Rogers home internet customers at? 🇨🇦

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

I moved to Telus when Rogers bought Shaw and screwed up my billing plan, and were unwilling to be competitive.

Both Rogers and Telus have capped plans and more expensive “unlimited” plans.

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

If my phone didn't have a cap, I'd hotspot it all, which is basically the idea of cellular home internet routers. I found a home router without a cap, which time will tell to be true, but it's still more expensive than my phone with a very large but not unlimited cap.

They want to get paid, that's the reasoning. The amount of data is really irrelevant except for pricing.

Roaming fees used to be the same until EU stepped in. Hopefully EU will eventually step in and order a full stop to ALL CAPS too. We live in the "future" now, right? Bring me my free unlimited connection so I can download that car they talked about.

[-] teuto@lemmy.teuto.icu 7 points 6 days ago

I have the opposite. Unlimited phone data, but it throttles above some high number that I've never hit. Capped home internet from crapcast, 1.3 TB, I haven't hit it but I've come within a couple gigabytes.

They offer unlimited data if I use their modem/router for an extra $10/mo. Of course their modem comes with the wonderful feature of a public hotspot for any other Comcast customers in the area. I've been thinking about getting their modem, putting it in a metal box and just using pass through with my opnsense box.

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