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As a result, most surgeons report experiencing discomfort while performing minimal-access surgery, a 2022 study found. About one-fifth of surgeons polled said they would consider retiring early because their pain was so frequent and uncomfortable. A good mixed-reality headset, then, might allow a surgeon to look at a patient’s surgical area and, without looking up, virtual screens that show them the laparoscopy camera and a patient’s vitals.

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[-] leanleft@lemmy.ml 2 points 55 minutes ago

this *seems* long overdue

[-] potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish 1 points 38 minutes ago

We're cooked

[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 4 points 2 hours ago

I always figured it would eventually have decent use cases, just not doing office work from home and joining meetings and shit like they marketed it initially. There are jobs out there in the physical world where easier, more streamlined access to information is godsend.

I do hope they won't kill it off.

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 43 points 6 hours ago

“I’m usually turning around and stopping the operation to see a CT scan; looking to see what happened with the endoscopy [another small camera that provides a closer look at organs]; looking at the monitor for the heart rate,” Horgan says.

Horgan says that wearing headsets during surgeries has improved his effectiveness while lowering his risk of injury.

Just if it wasn't clear to anyone else.

[-] whodatdair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

This is the weirdest cyberpunk future.

On one hand, we have surgeons performing surgery with literal augmented reality,

On the other hand, if you’re poor you’ll never have an iota of a chance of seeing that doctor.

[-] derin@lemmy.beru.co 6 points 3 hours ago

That latter point doesn't really apply if you leave America.

[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 15 points 5 hours ago

Sounds like an american healthcare problem to me

[-] leisesprecher@feddit.org 7 points 4 hours ago

Admittedly, I only ever entered an operating room under anesthesia, but could you just, you know, put the displays somewhere else?

This seems like one of those informercial "problems".

[-] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

"I wanna drink some milk, but it's so flimmin-flammin hard to open."

[-] PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Even in non-surgical settings, operating room ergonomics is a huge area of research right now. Even in a routine colonoscopy there are often a half dozen workers attending to the patient, and making sure they can all reach at a comfortable angle and height, without twisting their neck to read a display, is a big challenge.

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago

Lol wut. Surgeons bitch when they're wearing so much as a headlamp. A bulky-ass VR headset will never be a thing in the operating room beyond the odd techy doctor who's in a VR infatuation phase.

The Davinci surgical robot has a VR headset kinda built into it so surgeons can see in 3D when they're doing robotic assisted surgeries, but that's not something they wear : it's a little station they sit at and just lean forward into, no straps or weight or anything.

[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

Apple, slowly transitioning into a medical industry supply business.

[-] vinnymac@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

I wonder who experiences greater discomfort surgeons or factory workers.

Not that we can currently afford factory workers this tech of course. I’m just imagining if the price of this type of tech was to drop dramatically perhaps it could be used in other fields.

Although by then maybe those jobs would be automated anyway?

[-] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 hours ago

I don't think price is that big of a deal for a factory, really. The machine that worker in using probably costs a hell of a lot more than $3.5k, and in most cases even basic parts/repairs are going to cost that much.

[-] Vanth@reddthat.com 3 points 4 hours ago

It's not just the $3.5k cost of a headset. There are recurring costs to maintain the headsets. Even larger than that is cost of converting existing work instructions into the virtual environment and maintaining them. Plus expect push back from some workers, possibly losing some to other companies. And if it's a union shop, expect them to use the change as leverage in next negotiations.

I would absolutely require more money to strap a chunk of electronics to my face for 8+ hours a workday.

[-] Vanth@reddthat.com 2 points 6 hours ago

Airbus in Toulouse has one section of a production line where work instructions, tool tips, and prints are available to the mechanics on VR headset. There are surely other industries that are further along, but in aerospace, that Airbus line is goals. I've seen it in an open house / show off situation. I am still skeptical how mechanics use VR headsets for 8+ hour shifts day after day.

I'm sure they're not as intense as video game VRs, those start giving me headache and nausea after about 45 minutes. 8+ hours seems like it would be a lot. And at 8+ hours, it's not even just the vision/nausea, I have to assume it becomes a question about ergonomics of neck and shoulders supporting the extra weight.

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