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[-] knova@infosec.pub 4 points 4 hours ago

I’ve been saying this since last year to my family members on the other side of the political spectrum (some MAGA, some moderate), and I feel like I’ve been saying it til I get blue in the face, but it definitely feels like the MAGA wing of the Republican Party wants to go back to this era of German history ASAP.

[-] 58008@lemmy.world 44 points 8 hours ago

It should be pointed out that had the Holocaust and WWII not happened, Nazi Germany was still an unmitigated nightmare that no one but the Nazis themselves were enjoying very much. There were and are plenty of authoritarian and fascist states where genocides don't happen, but which are nevertheless hell on earth for everyone who's not a functionary of the state.

So even if you think it's hyperbole to worry about extermination camps in the US, there's absolutely nothing hyperbolic about a dystopian state coming into existence in which dissent and difference are crimes. Donald Trump and his band of dead-eyed sadists like Stephen Miller will do whatever they can in a second Trump term to bring such a state to you.

Nazi comparisons are completely justified.

[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 15 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Also notable is the fact that Hitler managed to gain power with only about 35 percent of the popular vote. Because regular conservatives formed a coalition with him, convinced they would be able to control and use him. Instead he used them.

Also, he then needed a false flag operation to be able to declare martial law - gaining the same kind of absolute power that the US president now has automatically thanks to the Supreme Court.

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago
[-] Birch@sh.itjust.works 58 points 11 hours ago

“It happened, therefore it can happen again.” – Primo Levi

Saw this written on a plaque at the Holocaust memorial in Berlin and it really gave me pause, reflecting on what is happening all around the world right now.

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 9 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I would have put it as:

"It keeps happening, therefore it can happen again."

It covers so much bad shit we as (groups of) humans do.
Exterminating the next village over bcs they like to wear green instead of yellow hats is the easiest thing to spark amongst the common, easily manipulated folk.

And it keeps happening bcs it (mass manipulation for whatever irrelevant reason) can be monetised & power can be gained in the precess (beyond from just literal pillaging and enslavement).

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[-] ThrowawayInTheYear23@lemmy.world 69 points 13 hours ago

This is not what America is.

Is it though? After all the Nazis were inspired by the US.

[-] spamfajitas@lemmy.world 64 points 13 hours ago

There are really 2 Americas. The one that tries to do better and the other one that only exists because Sherman didn't go far enough.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

Fuck Andrew Johnson. I don't believe in hell, but I hope he's burning there anyway.

[-] VubDapple@lemmy.world 22 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

USA has always been an ambivalent place, both committed to equality and liberty in an idealized manner and also committed to perpetuating inequality, particularly across racial, ethnic and religious lines. A child of the 1970s I like the version of America I was taught about in-between Saturday morning cartoons via School House Rock. No more kings!

Edit: before anyone else points it out, the video depicts racism against native americans and the colonists were crazy religious zealots. But it's also about rejection of the English king. So all the ambivalence seems to be there.

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 8 points 12 hours ago

Well, the nazis weren't really big on monarchism either

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[-] knightly@pawb.social 8 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Came to make this comment, 'cuz America is the political prison and slavery capital of the world.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

We're all humans, nationality aside. Good ideas. Bad ideas. Such ideology can and has propagated in pretty much every corner of the world and at varying times in history in some respect.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 46 points 13 hours ago

True. The Nazi concentration camps were not constructed for Jews, but political dissidents. They were created to detain people that did not succumb to gleichschaltung, coordination or alignment with the Nazi agenda.

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 14 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

And iirc they reused them for Jews bcs of the gigantic cost of what ultimately led to the 'Final solution'.

But the primary goal was def people control & opposition subjugation - ie make people know what happens if you speak out against the regime.

[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 13 points 11 hours ago

and less than a week away from a 4th reich if all the tightass tankies vote 3rd parties

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[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago

I grew up with the whole JW things crammed down my throat before I, as a teenager, finally snapped at my abusive, alcoholic mother and told her off. My dad backed me up fortunately. I hate that cult. But I cannot condone even sending my worst enemies to a fucking concentration camp.

They should, however, be investigated and arrested on a traditional, case-by-case basis. Most of those people are just idiots who really reject modern reality because real life is hard. The point is though, you can't just paint a whole group as evil and round them up. It's important to find the ones actually doing bad things and run their lives in particular.

[-] trek32@lemmy.world 31 points 13 hours ago

Insightful interview https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-trumps-rhetoric-compares-to-historic-fascist-language

"I think Trump has been conditioning Americans since 2015 to see violence as something justified in certain cases and even patriotic.

He's been conditioning them to see other Americans as enemies, as diseased, as dirty. And what we have to remember is that authoritarians might initially target one group, and he's been talking mostly about immigrants. But he's also calling the enemy within the political opposition.

[...]

And this is part of an authoritarian projection mechanism. I call it the upside-down world of authoritarianism, where, ever since Mussolini, he was the first to call democrats the real tyrants and fascism was going to be freedom. Fascism was going to make Italy great again. That was a slogan, as was drain the swamp. Trump took that from Mussolini as well."

[-] cybervseas@lemmy.world 19 points 13 hours ago

You're right. He came to speak to the police in my county, which has a bad reputation already, and

Trump said the administration is removing these gang members from the United States "but we'd like to get them out a lot faster and when you see ... these thugs being thrown into the back of the paddy wagon, you just see them thrown in rough, I said, 'Please don't be too nice.'"

To which the police and cadets all started to laugh. Of course later the department said of course they wouldn't be rough 🤔: https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/suffolk-county-police-speak-up-after-trump-dont-be-too-nice-quip/227929/

Here's another story from my county 🙁 the "embarrassing items" in the SUV were sex toys btw:

https://abc7ny.com/james-burke-suffolk-county-police-chief-long-island/1585285/

No surprise that our county's PBA has enthusiastically endorsed Trump. As a brown family here it has us concerned.

[-] Neon@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I mean yeah.

The very first killed were the disabled. And not in prisons but instead in an improvised shed in the asylum they were in.

But the Sentiment is right.

[-] Dragonstaff@leminal.space -5 points 7 hours ago

This is exactly what America is and always has been.

[-] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

No, America the Beautiful would never force citizens of foreign descent into camps! Certainly not on account of racism! And not in the hundreds of thousands!

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Not quite. Things got way better and are still better than they used to be. This is not what the US is today, don't fool yourself.

[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world -4 points 10 hours ago

That's too much, even for Jehovah's witnesses. JW's deserve their freedom just as anyone else. But I should add, there should be a law that allows one to legally hose them down with cold garden water if they come to your house to bother you. If they come and you like it, all good. But if they come and I specifically tell them never to bother me again, they better write that somewhere cuz next time they get a legal watering. It would make a lot of people get a renewed sense of home ownership lol. But I mean, the JW's could just stop pestering people.

[-] ddplf@szmer.info 4 points 9 hours ago

While I share with you the sentiment, that is an odd place for such confession

[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world -1 points 9 hours ago

Just asking for my pace to not be invaded. That's all. Also making light of something awful 😉. But that's what comedians do. I'm not a comedian but sometimes I wish I was. Then things would make more sense. Like why would the US help Israel basically pulverize Palestine? Why didn't the US instead help Ukraine by eliminating putin yet? So I can't change any of this. I can vote Democrat and I did, but there wasn't an entry on there that specifically asked "would you want us to stop arming Israel?". We got no voice in the matter.....but we got sarcasm, parody, and comedy! Neither thing is illegal yet.

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