I'll never understand the drive to make other people's lives more miserable. We're given only so many years in this planet. Why not enjoy your life and let others enjoy theirs. These people seemingly can't do either of those.
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I guess it's a good coping mechanism to not face your own problems. Also you always have something to do and you feel involved.
I do think it gives them a bigger narrative to be a part of. I suspect that's a big draw too. It's just a really shit narrative.
Good point. I think one thing modern world (maybe it was always this way) is kind of lacking providing people with meaning. Sure you are free to search and create your own, which is undoubtfully great. But some people need others people stories to make any sense of that mess we call life.
"good"
It's not about that... I don't know why it's so hard to understand the psychology here. They feel strongly that something is wrong and want to fight it. That's it.
Again, not supporting it at all but you should at least understand that they are not so different from us. They just grew up around hate for these things and continue to feel hate for these things.
If they would have grown up in a different environment, I don't think they would even care about any of this.
Sure there are people who were just socialised into far right ideology, but there are also ones that arrived there later in life. Humans are complex. psychology ist messy and not very well understood. But feeling deeply unhappy and projecting on an out-group, are definitely something they all have in common.
They carry so much hate inside that it rises up and makes them ugly on the outside. Just look at all of those Neo-Nazis who would never meet the criteria for being Aryan.
Imagine being such a failure as a human being that they drag others down the hole they've stubbornly dug for themselves.
I'm not defending them but have you never had a strong conviction that something is wrong and you will do what you can to fight it?
That's how these people feel about gay people and so on. I can only assume they grew up around people who felt that way and they don't see the error of their ways.
I have no clue other than it provides a convenient excuse to justify their obstructionist ideals.
If conservatives had it their way, the U.S. would still be just a British colony.
People often do it for free, but it is also a business model.
They are not "flocking to Threads", they were already in Instagram and Facebook. Meta is going to have to pay one day or another for cowering in front of religious countries by allowing homophobia and anti-atheist and anti-freethinker hate-speech in those countries. I had to deal a lot with those and reporting them did nothing, because moderators are sourced locally from those countries, and the laws in those countries are in favor of that kind of hate-speech.
I know exactly what you mean
This is the answer: they were already there to begin with
Well, to be fair, I have managed to get some lunatics removed from some local UK communities on Facebook. Granted, these are UK communities, but still, there were a lot of lunatics at some point during pandemic. All the crap suddenly started posting all kinds of non sense from blatant racism to conspiracy theories.
Try learning some Arabic or Hebrew, moderators for content in those languages are mostly sourced from the MENA region where the notion of hate-speech is quite distorted and homophobia and hate-speech directed towards nonbelievers are considered normal. Reporting hate-speech in those languages almost never leads to removals. This is not just anecdotal, it's really a thing: https://www.politico.eu/article/facebook-content-moderation-posts-wars-afghanistan-middle-east-arabic/
That’s been my experience as well. Reporting them does nothing, but if you call them out on their BS, Facebook suspends you.
As long as hate drives engagement, this will never change.
A lot of people are flocking to Threads, so why wouldn’t these groups?
I was hoping they would just enjoy Elon’s twitter but apparently they really need to pollute the common spaces otherwise they get bored
They'll go anywhere they can get attention I suppose
Yup, Nazis don't want a circle jerk chamber. They specifically want to get into general public spaces so they can recruit. This is why you often find Nazi shit in the weirdest places (such as the bronies).
It's why moderation is needed on all social media platforms. It's also why "we don't tolerate Nazis" needs to be a general rule. They are a cancer.
That and they want to make public platforms miserable for the people they hate.
This reminds me that I'm never gonna understand furfash. Like, here we are in a furpile or watching cartoons or just like, wiggling or some crap and some bellend's gotta be all, "Hitler is cool actually" and that's part of their whole 'sona while the whole rest of us are doing a thing that kinda naturally implies a lack of restrictions (on personal physical form, especially!) and having a nice time. What part of any of this fits well with "you have to exist my way" O.o rantrantrant!
That Mythic Quest episode with the Nazis
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Exactly. It'll happen with any platform that gains traction. I'm even seeing some fringe groups appearing in some niche Lemmy instances, too. People are going to go to wherever other people are.
As if we needed one more reason to defederate.
” He went on to instruct his followers to “try and build a big account. I mean, if you get in early, maybe some of you guys can blow up and red pill some people on there.”
Red pill? Did pro-authoritarian, white supremacist, and self-proclaimed incel, Nick Fuentes unironically use "red pill"? lmao What a clown.
I don't understand why these incels insist on using a Matrix analogy, red-pill just means "truth" and blue-pill means "ignorance", why do they constantly subvert a basic concept? It's literally the same with "woke", it literally just means what it says, "being attuned to what's going on". Nothing more, but these idiots literally ruin it, if anything they're blue-pilled, going by the Matrix
The Matrix is also queer af and full of anti-fascist themes. So these incel guys are really barking up the wrong tree in so many ways
They quote the Bible without understanding it either, not surprising they'd do it with a movie.
This is literally 1984’s double thinking: the people accusing other people of being woke and defining themselves as red-pilled (woken up to a reality) are in turn the most ignorant. They are accusing their enemy of having reached a state of mind they themselves claim to have reached, while they actually did not. Totally paradoxical.
Red pill/blue pill was written as an analogy to the experience of trans people, as well. The ignorance with how they've co-opted the concept runs quite deep.
Are you honestly shocked? They're trying to get in while Threads is overwhelmed by new signups. Hopefully Meta will do the right thing and kick them off but they probably won't.
The big corps have always had a right wing bias. The corps bend over backwards to cator to these asshats while shitting all over the left.
There's a reason this stuff thrives on places like Facebook and will continue to do so. They also want a platform that has the widest reach.
It's why they want to be in the big sites instead of making their own because they want the rest of us to see their nonsense. There may not end up being a big hate presence on fedi stuff because any right wing instances will be broadly blacklisted either by the instances or by the users.
Broadly and quickly! The message rapidly goes out and in a matter of hours, if not minutes, the instance is defederated.
They ALWAYS do. Communication exists. Do your part and shut them down and send them information for therapy. It’s hilarious. They are losers and will always be unless they get help. There is no intolerance except for the intolerant racists!
Threads is doing a decent job moderating them. They put warnings if you subscribe to someone known to spread misinformation and they remove posts that break TOS.
Obviously the attention seekers are going to run to every platform. I don't think it's fair journalism to say that certain groups are moving to Threads when it's many groups.
"Men are creating thousands of accounts on Threads. Why are the majority of accounts female? Our data analysis explains here!" Is kind of the same clickbait.
I won't argue that racists don't make up a loud percentage of text-based social media, though.
Why? They’re more than welcome on Twitter now.
My theory is even right wingers hate right wing cesspools. Like there is no shortage of far right communities on the internet, but even if you were to be a right leaning person who has no problem with "a little free speech", you are going to be a "cucked liberal" to someone else. Maybe you are a fiscally conservative hypercapitalist but have no problem with the existence of gay and trans people. Maybe your a terf but still care a lot about abortion rights and access to healthcare. Maybe your extremely religious, but believe it is your duty to help the poor and provide charity for those in need. You are going to clash with someone in the same space as you, and there are going to be fewer protections from harassment and less places where you can feel safe in speaking than if you were on a more mainstream space with actual moderation. In the end the platform is going to be hospitable to only the most extreme of conservatives, and its going to become an echochamber of the same opinions, and the same hate and anger.
Second, most of these accounts and groups have the goal of recruitment in mind. You're not going to recruit many people in the far right echochamber because your basically preaching to the choir, so instead you go to the platformers where all the "normies" are at. There you can spread prop, pick easy fights and make your side look strong, and convince ordinary people that what you believe isn't all "that bad", or that it's the liberals/trans people/feminists/jews who are the disgusting or unhinged ones.
What you call recruitment, I call conquest.
Trollish Uber MAGAs just aren't happy with themselves until they've gotten a rise out of someone on the Internet.
They were told they could now freely make threads and misheard.
ONLY until the rest of the users give them the "fuck off you nazi trash" response that they actually deserve.
Hahah, lemme know when they actually do fuck off. Sure, they deserve that response but it's not gonna get rid of them any more than it has anywhere else on the capitalist web.
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Not saying its a good thing they exist, but its a good thing its happening to Meta and not a good instance here.
Likely 4chan has something to do with it lol
They're gonna need a lot of mods
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