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[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 5 points 1 hour ago

kamala was not pro corporate.

[-] metaStatic@kbin.earth 3 points 37 minutes ago

only as much as every politician since Clinton

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 5 points 34 minutes ago

we actually had some monopoly busting action going which is now going to be in the shitter.

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 2 points 28 minutes ago

Monopoly busting is good for the other corporations. Just because a company does anti-consunmer behavior doesn't mean they aren't also get screwed by another company's anti-consumer behaviors.

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 3 points 19 minutes ago

yeah just like adequate tax and regulation is good for rich folks. thats the thing. not having monopolies is good for society in general.

[-] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 3 hours ago

Almost as if they are doing it on purpose and are just the more culturally liberal of the two Wall Street parties... 🤔🤔

[-] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 28 points 3 hours ago

Someone like AOC and Bernie will never be allowed anywhere near actual power. God damn money.

[-] sit@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 3 hours ago

And this is when you vote for a third party. IMO the mentality of “having to vote one of these two” is toxic for a democratic system.

It’s a trap and these two parties massively profit off of it.

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 3 points 57 minutes ago

And this is when you vote for a third party. IMO the mentality of “having to vote one of these two” is toxic for a democratic system.

So close, and yet so far.

The third party isn't going to save you from the toxic system, nor stand a chance to fix it.

You can't reform the system, nor fix it from within no matter how hard you participate. It must be completely eradicated from the root.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Its the fundamental death of democracy. There is only ever one "correct" choice on the ballot. No real decision except to show up and vote straight ticket or suffer guilt or derision from your peers.

This works just as well on Republicans as Democrats. You don't see any dark horse Buchanans or Perots on the ballot anymore. Conservatives know any vote for someone other than Trump will be seen as a vote for the Democrat, just like Liberals know the opposite. And when the top of the ticket sucks (as with Hilary in 2016 or Romney in 2012), turnout sags and upsets happen.

The bitter truth Dems can't face is that they ran bad candidates on weak platforms after disappointing terms in office. And this is what drove down turnout. Not insidious Arabs or nefarious Jill Stein voters or Russia. If they'd had a candidate as appealing to voters as Trump, running on the left side of the ticket, they could have won. Instead, they shed 15M votes chasing the Liz Cheney endorsement.

[-] DashboTreeFrog@discuss.online 14 points 2 hours ago

I hate that you're not wrong. Gotta get rid of the current "winner take all" electoral system first though...

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Mandatory vote, ranked choice, popular no electoral

[-] sit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 hours ago

Im with you. If such trap can exist the system is wrongly setup.

That's not possible in the current electoral system. Therefore voting third party needs to happen first.

Or really, the thing we can't say in the Internet anymore and the thing that you liberals hate more than the thought of losing capitalism itself.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 hour ago

My understanding is that for third parties to become viable at the presidential they have to have first become viable in other levels of government. A third party presidential candidate should be the culmination of bottom up building, not a once every 4 years thing.

[-] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 0 points 3 hours ago

They don't care about winning. They care about being cool at the right DC cocktail parties,which they have achieved by extracting their own base from the party in favor of a war criminal who left office with 13% approval.

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