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[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 25 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

This is reminds me of a quote from one of the Encased loading screens.

To paraphrase it "Power generation before was about turning a turbine with steam. Under the Dome we have this fancy technology that we use to.....turn a turbine with steam."

[–] MissGutsy@lemmy.world 1 points 46 minutes ago

[Encased mentioned] I love that game

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 80 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Reminds me of the meme using the Donnie Darko psychologist template.

Donnie: I made a new form of power generation.

Psychologist: New or steam?

Donnie: Steam...

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 12 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

Steam implies water! What if we used some OTHER phase-change working fluid? :D

||(No idea what, though. my question is implied with a playful tone and is at least 50% facetious; any actual discussion that might result would be little more than a pleasant coincidence)||

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 17 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You want to see weird water look up super critical boilers. That stuff was nasty. A regular steam leak will set things on fire. That stuff would explode a broom. We looked for the leaks with straw brooms. You can't see steam in normal conditions. Only its effects.

[–] Benjaben@lemmy.world 13 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Blech, I've heard stories in my industrial automation days of people being clipped by invisible high pressure steam leaks. No frickin thank you, regular stovetop steam jacks me up frequently enough.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Well, now this is on my list of invisible things that scare me:

  • Radiation
  • Methanol fires
  • Supercritical steam jets
[–] Benjaben@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Not quite invisible but you could also splash and wade into a pool of strong acid thinking it was water, during what first seemed like a somewhat routine FUBAR maintenance situation...filling your boots etc.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago

Molten salt?

We can then use compressed CO2 in the place of steam to drive the turbine.

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 3 points 8 hours ago

Like Dr. Pepper?

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 14 points 7 hours ago

Nuclear power is just steampunk with magic rocks.

[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 109 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

So a nucler reactor is just a kettle with an extra spicy heating element?

[–] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 20 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Most power generation is just steam spinning turbines. Solar’s just weird. Wind cuts out the steam loop.

[–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

What about hydro electric? It uses cold steam

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Ooh, cold steam burns are the worst!

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Reflective solar is normal at least. But photovoltaics are weird. Even weirder is that they’re LEDs backwards, and the fact that transistors just are like that is why they’re encased in black plastic

[–] reinei@lemmy.world 2 points 26 minutes ago

Unless you WANT your transistor to be this way and use it so you put an actual led inside the plastic as well to mess with (i.e. turn on and off) the transistor!

Also I would argue that wind could also be considered 'steam' turning a turbine. It's just vapour pressure 'steam' with a LOT of other pollutants which somehow increase the efficiency!

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 56 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Yes. Water + spicy rocks. Everything else is solar power, which is also nuclear power, but with the spiciness in the sky instead.

[–] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 8 points 6 hours ago (2 children)
  • Solar panels: Direct sky-spiciness to electricity conversion
  • Wind: Sky-spiciness made the air move
  • Hydroelectric: Sky-spiciness lifted the water up, gravity brings it down
  • Fossil fuels: Really old stored sky-spiciness from ancient plants
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 25 minutes ago

Geothermal?

[–] killingspark@feddit.org 3 points 1 hour ago

Nuclear: the sky spiciness got too spicy and turned into spicy rocks

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 20 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Fun fact. Coal plants release more radioactive materials than nuclear plants.]

Except the ones that blew up. Those ones were extra spicy.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Except, even then, an average coal plant will release more radioactive material over its lifetime than Fukushima did.

It's just Chernobyl that you have to top. And even then there are coal plants that come close.

Now, it's not apples to apples. Coal plants release uranium and thorium. Not ceasium and strontium.

But yeah, never go swimming in a coal plant ash pit. For more than the obvious reasons.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 hours ago

How many average coal plants per Chernobyl though. I suspect that number is surprising lower than the total number of coal plants.

[–] jagungal@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, radioactive isotopes are formed in supernovae, so it's really just solar power from a different sun, right?

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

it's spicy rocks all the way down.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 4 points 8 hours ago

All power is nuclear power when you keep digging, whether rocks come into play or not!

[–] darthelmet@lemmy.world 54 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

Not spicy. Everyone knows nuclear power is lemon-lime flavored.

[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 35 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Taste: slightly metallic, not great, not terrible.

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[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Cherenkov: The blue raspberry of nuclear radiation

[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 13 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

That moment when you take a drag of your Blue Raspberry vape and the dosimeter next to you maxes out.

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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 66 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (4 children)

It was interesting realizing that a lot of our power is still, at its core, a steam engine

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 34 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

We discovered a banger like 400 years ago and have held on tight until right about now with wind/solar/hydro.

Still going to be using them geothermal/fission/fusion for at least another 100 years though.

[–] Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world 22 points 11 hours ago (6 children)

Hydro is just more dense steam, wind is less dense steam, it's steam engines all the way!

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[–] hobovision@lemm.ee 6 points 8 hours ago

More like a steam turbine (which is way cooler cause it's like a jet engine). Steam engine makes me think of a piston engine like on a train.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Seems to be just photovoltaics and spinny things.

[–] Phoonzang@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

There's also fuel cells, where fuel is not burned to create steam to move something, but combined with oxygen in a different way (the end products still being the same) so the electrons shuttled around during this reaction can be utilised as electricity. Think of combustion as oxidation of your fuel, the oxidation meaning that you (among other things) move electrons from the fuel to oxygen. In combustion, unfortunately you can't access the electrons directly, as they are always stuck in the chemical bonds of the molecules, that's why we take the detour via heat/mechanical - the steam engine. The fuel cell now separates fuel and oxygen, and thus divides the combustion reaction into two parts that happen at opposite sides of the cell. Those sides are divided by a membrane that does not allow the electrons to transfer across, so they need to take a detour through an electric circuit, in which we can harvest them as electrical power.

I always found it really fascinating that fuel cells are the only other technology than solar where the electrons we use as electrical power are more or less directly generated as opposed to the detour via a generator. Unfortunately, fuel cells are still a very niche technique.

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[–] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 13 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

~~Nuclear~~ power is just boiling water

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

~~Nuclear~~ power is just ~~boiling~~ water

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I bet there is a way more efficient way to harness it that we are just missing too lol

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 1 points 46 minutes ago

I'm kinda surprised that nobody has harnessed our magnetic field to build a power source. Or at least tried. I have no idea how it could work, and I may be dumb as shit for this. But I feel like it could be possible if we had another 500 years left of society.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 27 points 12 hours ago (10 children)

Nearly all power generation comes down to boiling water to steam which spins a turbine.

I can only think of two common exceptions off the top of my head. Solar is an exception and Hydro power is an exception ironically, that usually uses the vertical difference and gravity to spin the turbine.

[–] nBodyProblem@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

There are gas turbine generators that directly use shaft power to generate electricity

[–] davidgro@lemmy.world 27 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Wind turbines also.

But some solar does focus it on a tower to make steam to drive a turbine.

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