We know the answer to that from how Bernie was treated
this post was submitted on 17 Nov 2024
13 points (74.1% liked)
No Stupid Questions
35816 readers
1435 users here now
No such thing. Ask away!
!nostupidquestions is a community dedicated to being helpful and answering each others' questions on various topics.
The rules for posting and commenting, besides the rules defined here for lemmy.world, are as follows:
Rules (interactive)
Rule 1- All posts must be legitimate questions. All post titles must include a question.
All posts must be legitimate questions, and all post titles must include a question. Questions that are joke or trolling questions, memes, song lyrics as title, etc. are not allowed here. See Rule 6 for all exceptions.
Rule 2- Your question subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material.
Your question subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material. You will be warned first, banned second.
Rule 3- Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here.
Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here. Breaking this rule will not get you or your post removed, but it will put you at risk, and possibly in danger.
Rule 4- No self promotion or upvote-farming of any kind.
That's it.
Rule 5- No baiting or sealioning or promoting an agenda.
Questions which, instead of being of an innocuous nature, are specifically intended (based on reports and in the opinion of our crack moderation team) to bait users into ideological wars on charged political topics will be removed and the authors warned - or banned - depending on severity.
Rule 6- Regarding META posts and joke questions.
Provided it is about the community itself, you may post non-question posts using the [META] tag on your post title.
On fridays, you are allowed to post meme and troll questions, on the condition that it's in text format only, and conforms with our other rules. These posts MUST include the [NSQ Friday] tag in their title.
If you post a serious question on friday and are looking only for legitimate answers, then please include the [Serious] tag on your post. Irrelevant replies will then be removed by moderators.
Rule 7- You can't intentionally annoy, mock, or harass other members.
If you intentionally annoy, mock, harass, or discriminate against any individual member, you will be removed.
Likewise, if you are a member, sympathiser or a resemblant of a movement that is known to largely hate, mock, discriminate against, and/or want to take lives of a group of people, and you were provably vocal about your hate, then you will be banned on sight.
Rule 8- All comments should try to stay relevant to their parent content.
Rule 9- Reposts from other platforms are not allowed.
Let everyone have their own content.
Rule 10- Majority of bots aren't allowed to participate here.
Credits
Our breathtaking icon was bestowed upon us by @Cevilia!
The greatest banner of all time: by @TheOneWithTheHair!
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
I don’t know, we should do this and find out.
Liberals already tried to get Bernie on the ticket in 2016, but the DNC fucked us on that.
the haters, the racists, the sexists, the homophobes, the gun fondlers, the diesel fume huffers, and the bible thumpers vote repulbican every. single. time.
too many democrats jump ship and stay home, vote for the no chance party, or republican if a candidate doesn't support every little policy and issue they want or who supports something they don't. even if the fate of the nation and democracy is at stake, they'll abandon reason.
Yup. Idiots incapable of compromise, so they get nothing.
Let me put it this way... Here's the 2020 DNC primary donations:
You know when conservatives post pictures of counties being all one color thus showing significant voting support most people speak up about how land doesn't vote and explain why those maps are kind of useless. Just food for thought.
This is not colorblind friendly at all.
Yeah, that's terrible color choice (I'm assuming, anyway, since Pete and sanders are presumably meant to be different colors)
You're doing it too... terrible choice of first name vs last
man where's yang
I sincerely have no idea.
The narrative that a leftist couldn't win is repeated so predictably and so often and by so many people that the whole idea has become sort of detached from reality, and there's no telling what would happen if it was actually a possibility.
And particularly since the one thing I'd pretty much guarantee is that the concerted efforts on the part of the ruling class to prevent a leftist from running would be as nothing compared to what they'd do and say in order to prevent one from winning.
I mean, at least for me, the question is "Who?"
In more ways than one. It's quite evident to me now that a candidate needs to be charismatic, not just have some good ideas, to motivate voters to take their side. But "leftism" and "leftist" are still pretty vague labels. Just personally, some of the left-wing figures in the US today would earn my vote and some would not. More broadly, and I think there'd be a big difference between voters-at-large's willingness to accept Bernie-esque proposals and some of the more out-there stuff I've seen.
Sanders? Probably.
Someone else? Depends on their policies and what you mean by "liberals". If you mean general center-left / Democrat base types, probably they vote for the DNC nominee. If you mean people devoted to Enlightenment Liberalism, it depends on how authoritarian the the candidate is.
I think democrats would, for the most part. Perhaps less enthusiastically, but since they hate Trump, I think it would not be a major issue.
The question is, how would low-information unaffiliated voters respond to having a socialist in the ballot? This is a difficult question to answer. Traditionally socialism is a bad word in US politics, albeit less so with younger voters.
Personally I don’t really buy the “Bernie would have won” stuff but there’s really only one way to find out.
I don’t think a Demo candidate can afford to have low enthusiasm amongst liberals, that’s their biggest base.
Except all the liberals insisted they would vote for Biden's corpse before letting Trump win. What does it say about them if an actual progressive is the real dealbreaker?
Time travel?
It doesn't matter who decides to run for president .... it's all dependent on who gets the most marketing / advertising and promotional campaign - which all requires money. So it means whoever has the most money or whoever can influence the most money can run for president.
It isn't the message that matters ... it doesn't matter if its left, right, up or down .. whoever gets to achieve the most influence over the wealthiest individuals gets to run for president.
No. When you leave social media echo chambers like Lemmy, you hear liberals and others right of center talking about how Kamala was too liberal.
I think it's fair to say that ~80% of voters will just follow whatever their party's media outlets say they should vote for. If a proper leftist and actually got the DNC nomination, I don't think many classic liberals would think twice about voting for them.
Absolutely not. Type "Lamont Lieberman" (without the quotes) into a search engine for more info. Also "Clinton puma". In the opposite direction, Kamala Harris lost a lot of Biden voters. Biden was considered relatively left of center (though nowhere near as leftist as Sanders) back in the day.
I don't even think Biden is left of the US center. Who the hell thinks Biden is left of center?
In terms of what he got done, he's easily the most left wing President since LBJ. Perhaps FDR. Whether or not that is defined as left-wing/leftist/liberal is a matter of opinion.
Left of global center? No. Left of USA center? Probably.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/388988/political-ideology-steady-conservatives-moderates-tie.aspx
More Americans identify as conservative than liberal. It's not something we have to like, and certain policies may be quite different individually, but in order to win nationally, Democrats have to defeat voters' own self-identification. Obviously it happens, so this isn't some insurmountable challenge, but the deck is stacked.
Left of the US Senate center, or maybe the Senate Democrat center. Not the whole US. And I mean in the 1980s, not now. Even today though, I'd consider him leftward of Kamala Harris.
Biden is certainly left of the US center.
Oh yeah, completely forgot that.
No, they'd side with the corporations cause they luv them
So he’d lose?
Yes
I would have voted for him... In 2016, 20, 24
But DNC and their owners won't do that. So fuck them.
Would Bernie have paid off the electoral college members like the felon rapist did?
that's not how the electoral college works tho. in most states, an elector not voting in accordance with the state's popular vote is against the law. trump only gained 3 votes with faithless electors in 2016, and that was a record (not counting the time 63 electors switched because their pledged candidate died); no faithless elector votes counted in 2020 nor 2024.
Explain Bush Jr then. Popular vote was against him.
It's simple math in which every elector voted for their state's popular vote winner (and that's if you discount Bush v. Gore, which I'm assume you're doing here, otherwise we'd be debating an issue that has no relation to the electoral college at all); all the votes for the losing candidate statewide are discounted. Never has an elector been "paid off" to vote against their state's popular vote.
I'm not sure you've been paying attention lately. These people are not paragons of virtue and they won't be making a press release about getting paid off.
I don't think you know that electors have a public ballot and people know when tallies don't match up with statewide popular vote counts. You should read up on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact#Motivation, especially the linked https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Difference_with_popular_vote which has a helpful graphic.
So the electors were paid to vote for a specific candidate by monied interests, and it happened to be the candidate who won the plurality of votes in every state? That's a remarkable coincidence.