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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 42 points 7 hours ago

If by "value" you mean income it isn't even tied to individual productivity. It's tied to how much power or leverage you have to demand more.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 21 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Imagine a society where those setting the regulations are wealthy in such a way that they face no money related consequences. If they stuff up, or get into a tight spot with money, they'll be a subsidy, or bailout, or sweet deal with a bank loan, or a wealthy relative, or they sell a property or a stock holding, or a mega yatch, or they'll just declare that shell company bankrupt. They'll never have a monetary problem that can't be immediately resolved.

...this class of people - those with essentially no financial consequences in life, are expected to make empathetic and caring laws, systems, and regulations for the rest of us, for whom money is behind literally everything consequential. For whom a small or temporary lack of money drastically changes us and our quality of life immediately and often with no real resolution.

We have all the consequences they do not, they have all the power we do not. Nothing about this system makes sense, and it's enough to say we live in a kind of Capitalist Monarchy, posing as a democracy of, by, and for the people.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 4 points 6 hours ago (3 children)
[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Here's a whole video about why that doesn't work:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs&list=PLrttDbiWQ1XO1iHAszAsPobYSoR0uQg_1&pp=iAQB

Basically all governments are required to keep certain groups happy to even consider getting into power, and some of that involves.... Certain kinds of payoffs and deals being made.

You can only vote for people who have already acquised to the system in order to get on the ballot.

You can vote for people who promise some slightly more progressive version of the status quo, but that's as radical as the system is allowed to get by design.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Videos like these are meant to keep you down, or in your couch

You can get on a ballot. You just need enough people to support you

Not voting or voting against those who would change the system is what keeps these dorks in power

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

You just need enough people to support you

I don't like people enough to want that

[–] ebolapie@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

Voting is the least we can do besides doing nothing. Which makes it pretty disappointing that so many people will be all like "oh voting doesn't do anything, we should tear down the government instead" and then they proceed to do neither of those things.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Maybe support causes that oppose it?

Think about all the money we funnel to twitch streamers and other influencers.

I remember back in like 2010s people trying to crowd source their election and it just falls flat.

Then you hear about pewdiepie buying his own private island or some shit and it's dumb founding.

It's so gross when I spit piss at the DNC I get heckled to hell but if we took the time dismantle that machine we could effectively build something that easily out preforms it.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 18 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It's a machine right...?

What if I got a really big wrench to throw into it? 🤔

[–] kambusha@sh.itjust.works 14 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Metaphorical problems require metaphorical solutions.

[–] lugal@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

Sure, we are talking purely metaphysically here. No worries

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Breeders: I don't want to be alone in the soul-crushing machine. Let me add another soul to it.

pretty solid troll ngl 5/7

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Is it really that soulcrushing? The system itself isn't problematic, its our stupid primal brains and intellectual lessers who vote against their own interests and refuse to join peaceful organizations to acquire pay raises, breaks, sick leave, etc.

It could all work but we're our own worst enemies.

[–] Belgdore@lemm.ee 9 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Publicly traded corporations are the system that is the most problematic. they comprise the entirety of the stock market and the majority of the economy.

The fact that some guy running a hedge fund out of some economic center in a major city elects a c-suite who will actively harm people in any given locality America by dumping pollutants, tying up water rights, raising prices without a corresponding cost for production, or whatever other unethical business practice you want to fill the blank in with, just because it marginally increases profits is the problem. That hedge fund manager is actually required to do that or he will be fired, sued, or held criminally liable.

Greed is the primary motivating factor in this country and it is killing us.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

87% of US companies who make more than $100M revenue (not net, gross) are private according to Advisorpedia.

But yes, ending Citizens United and enforcing maximum political donations would be a huge step forward and fix so many problems.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

It's like the last election. We are all talking about 100 different things that all matter tangentially but couldn't focus on the one thing that would probably solve a lot of it.

Americans want financial independence. No one wants to tackle that issue head on, though. They will skirt around it saying, if we had this or that social program but won't ever commit to making it their platform.

Think of all the children being bullied that could be counseled if parents had time away from work to counsel them. Think of all the children getting pregnant that could be taught about safe sex and responsible relationships if parents had time away from work to parent them. Think of the long term health effects of being constantly stressed about work. Think of all the communities you could build if people had time away from work to build them.

Financial freedom = actual freedom. The GOP and DNC both want you to be wage slaves so that they can place themselves at the top of the hierarchy creating the problems you want them to fix.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

Oh look, Mr. Both Sides is here to ignore that GOP keeps giving tax breaks for the rich and raising them for everyone else, here to ignore that Kamala Harris promised all kinds of tax reforms like unrealized gains tax for people with more than 1M USD in holdings, return of child tax credits, return of student tax credits, and forgiveness of student loans, and here to ignore that the DNC wants to end Citizens United and make unfair election maps illegal.

Fuck off, Mr. Both sides. You're who I was referring to as our intellectual lessers.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Yikes. this isn't giving off the vibe you think it is my dogg

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

my dogg if you disagree with DNC taxing the rich then I don't care about your vibes my dogg, because clearly you're the enemy of us all my dogg.

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 😩

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

This is absolute bullshit. The DNC made zero effort to address the finical instability of working class people and you're perpetuating a lie. I was told 100x that the biden economy was a successful economy while inflation wreaked havoc. This was in 2021, 2022, 2023. Was it bidens fault? No. At the same time don't lie to my face and tell me I should be grateful for this economic environment. Shit could have been worse but tell me you recognize it is bad and give me a platform to believe in.

The DNC won't, they rely just as much as the GOP, on the economy only serving their needs.

Don't make me pull out the fucking graph of popular policy passed vs policy passed that benefits the wealthy.

TL:DR you're full of shit.

Edit:

https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Ah yes you've brought up such great points such as that one bill:

And also the other piece of legislature here:

And lets not forget:

All such great points, you've really got the facts on your side.