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Donald Trump plans to discuss potentially ending childhood vaccination programs with Robert F. Kennedy Jr., his nominee for Health and Human Services.

Trump expressed openness to revisiting vaccine policies, citing concerns about autism rates, despite scientific consensus debunking links between vaccines and autism.

Critics warn reducing vaccinations could lead to outbreaks of preventable diseases like measles.

Kennedy, known for questioning vaccine safety, would oversee the CDC if confirmed.

Public health experts remain concerned about the implications.

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[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Suddenly it's an elective procedure and no longer covered by insurance.

Though I guess it may get more expensive for insurers to cover the unvaccinated so the market might actually win out with that one...

[–] repungnant_canary@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Compulsory quarantine for people coming from the US into EU is gonna happen very fast

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 174 points 5 days ago (21 children)

Anybody with half a brain can see the collapse of the U.S. coming from a mile away based on what's happening right now. Our institutions are at an all-time low in trust, all bcz of this orange dickhead, and Russian/Chinese disinformation campaigns.

[–] Gumbyyy@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

I agree with everything you said except that all the blame lies with Trump and Russian/Chinese disinfo campaigns. This has been going on since ~~the Tea Party~~ ~~George W Bush/Cheney~~ ~~Newt Gingrich~~ ~~Reagan~~ probably before anybody reading this was born

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 82 points 5 days ago (4 children)

all bcz of this orange dickhead, and Russian/Chinese disinformation campaigns.

I mean yeah. But also because Americans are profoundly stupid. No excuses. As a whole, we're stupid as fuck.

[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 63 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Our schools have been under attack by the usual shitheads ever since we won to get them integrated.

Smart comfortable people don't obey. Uneducated, poor people with two jobs and three kids don't have any energy left over to crack a book and be disruptive.

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[–] sudo42@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago

Politicians do not benefit from an educated populace.

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[–] gift_of_gab@lemmy.world 29 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Wow, the measles are going to absolutely ruin America, and then spread to the world. One of my family members was 'immune' to the vaccine for it, and a doctor took my aunt aside and told her that basically any large crowd was a danger to my cousin. IE. "Go to the fair and there's a chance he catches it." Luckily he was able to finally reach the % required that from the vaccine but I think he was 16 before that happened.

So many children are going to die. I wonder if people who didn't vote in the US are starting to realise what they've done.

[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

and then spread to the world

But the rest of the world still has the vaccine programs. Very quickly Americans will require proof of vaccination before visiting other countries. While there might be an uptick in cases outside of the US, it will be nothing compared to within.

[–] gift_of_gab@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (5 children)

We're already having a problem with it in Canada, so I'm pretty damn nervous. I have family members who really rely on herd immunity.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Many nearly extinct diseases are already planning their great comeback tour in the US.

Wonder what will happen when the rest of the world denies entry to Americans for health reasons.

[–] garretble@lemmy.world 108 points 5 days ago (2 children)

"trump to discuss bringing back ever terrible disease we got rid of or mitigated in the 1900s with RFK Jr."

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 63 points 5 days ago

We're gonna party like it's 1899

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[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 32 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Yes it must be the vaccines that are causing autism rates! Ignore the studies and decades of evidence that show they don't, because they definitely do!

It's not all the micro plastic pollution, or car pollution, or chemicals in our water, or hormones in our food, no it's definitely the vaccines!

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[–] vashti@feddit.uk 20 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Or people could have been autistic all along, and just not diagnosed?

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[–] NotAnonymousAtAll@feddit.org 3 points 3 days ago

Even if there was anything real about the claim that vaccinations increased autism rates, using that as a justification to stop vaccinations would still be a crazy stance. Autism is not a deadly disease, but many of the things we vaccinate against are.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

The fool gets more ignorant by the day sheesh

[–] ThomasCrappersGhost@feddit.uk 6 points 3 days ago

So RFKs gonna say “vaccinations bad”, and Trumps gonna be like “thanks for letting me know mate”, then cancel vaccinations…. And then the shit really will hit the fan.

[–] UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

99 dead kids in the ground,

99 dead kids

Remove a vaccine, no longer to be found

999999999 dead kids in the ground

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 92 points 5 days ago (11 children)

Okay, idiot republicunts. You happy now? Not only are eggs going to be MORE expensive because of bullshit tariffs, but your kids are going to die from measles and shit. Way to go, cunts.

[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 45 points 5 days ago (2 children)

They won’t know about it until it personally affects them, then they’ll play the victim card.

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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 33 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Not their kids, they can afford the vaccines at list price. It's the poors who will die, as Supply Side Jesus intended.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

All those hillbilly fuckbrains who voted for trump? All those suburban moms who voted for a rapist? Nah bruv, those people can’t afford a $1200 vaccine or whatever the fuck. The traitor oligarchs can, sure. Perhaps they will meet their fate via a different route, nahmean?

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[–] BrotherL0v3@lemmy.world 77 points 5 days ago (10 children)

I hope at least a sizeable chunk of Trump voters regret voting for him. It breaks my heart to know that there are legitimately people who have paid attention to all his lies and already broken promises and still want the guy to lead the country. I don't know how to salvage someone like that.

[–] WeUnite@lemm.ee 44 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I researched this exact question. There is a way called deep canvasing https://www.vice.com/en/article/how-to-change-a-voters-mind-is-deep-canvassing/

It's scientifically proven. Try having a one on one conversation with someone. Listen to what they say and respond with empathy. Then gradually and calmly introduce your message that is related to what they said. For example if the person you are talking to said they are worried about grocery prices and specifically egg prices you could mention that bird flu was the root cause of the price increase and that Trump's tariffs will raise prices on groceries. Building trust helps your message get across. I've had personal conversations with Trump supporters who trust me and you'd be surprised how much success you can have.

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[–] K3zi4@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Pro-life crowd really trying to murder as many children as they can. That's crazy. Good luck America.

[–] NotAnonymousAtAll@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago

They are not "pro-life", they are "pro-forced-birth".

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 42 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Holy shit, is this for real?

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 29 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's been anticipated throughout the campaign, but kind of got overshadowed by all the other horrible stuff about Trump. RFK Jr. is the biggest anti-vaxxer in the world. Trump ran with him openly to get his cult on his side. This is the obvious result.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 9 points 4 days ago

It seems like every horrible thing about Trump never gets any attention because of the other horrible things about Trump.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 days ago

Why the fuck are people still surprised?

[–] mired_sight@lemmynsfw.com 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So, what do we DO? Quick vacations abroad to get vaccines and prevent our kids from dying? Or just accept life as long as possible before the 2027 polio outbreak causes a lovely descent into chaos?

[–] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Much like women seeking health care across state lines, it may be required to travel to another state for vaccinations, and depending on supply and cost, perhaps traveling to another country would be practical.

As for outbreaks, either wear a mask and avoid crowds, or have a passport and find a country not embracing insanity.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 29 points 4 days ago

If vaccine requirements go away, this is bad

If vaccines become illegal or prohibitively expensive, this is a disaster

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 48 points 5 days ago (3 children)

The US is in the fast lane on the super highway to full stupid.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 18 points 4 days ago

Make infanticide numbers great again

[–] ThanksObama@sh.itjust.works 32 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Kill the department of education and force religious curriculum. This whitewashing will hide the history of slavery and make indentured servitude a normal way of life. If you tell them Jesus said it, they will believe it because they can't read or just don't care to take the time and do it. Religion is about blind faith in something that may or may not exist. It is a form of control over those with little to lose.

Ban vaccines so people are sick and weak. Make all other health care unaffordable. Make them starve by inflating prices. Make their bodies weak to avoid physical conflict. They can't hurt you when they are barely able move or care for themselves.

End sex education and ban abortion. People are going to get sick and die constantly. You will have a population falloff preventing any increase to your wealth and power if you don't force them to have kids faster to fill the labor pool.

Keep their wages low so you can buy out their housing. Force them to be reliant on you to put a roof over their heads. Make them work multiple jobs at little pay just to afford this rental housing. Having no home is a real killer of hope.

Pit them against each other. Crime is up, must be the illegal immigrants! They are taking all your jobs! That black guy down the street is going to steal you stuff and your women. That Jew works at the bank and is the reason you can't get a raise or a loan. Your neighbor is your enemy and They will take everything you have if don't have a gun to protect yourself.

I'm could keep going down the rabbit hole, but why bother. These assholes want us back in 1800's where the rich control and own everything.

Don't let them fool you. The rich control both parties in this country. It's just that one side doesn't give a fuck about being open about what they are doing or public perception.

I am not condoning violence, but this is where we are going to end up shortly if the rich stay comfortable. Freedom isn't free, and we are almost out of fight due to apathy. Average people care more about what some ass clown doing in their social feeds than seeing what is about to slap them right in the face.

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[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I guess Trump wants to eradicate the American population? How does this make them money?

A new period of prohibition begins. How do I buy vaccines illegally?

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Likely Elon Musk and some other people are covert eugenicists. A lot of eugenicists work with Lysenko-style "genetics", and think generations surviving deadly diseases will bring forward a smarter and stronger humanity,

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

That makes sense. Musk is the poster child of pusedo-science.

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