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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 93 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

This is an important point and takeaway.

These people truly are no different than us. They are not special in any way shape or form.

Part of the reason society is organized this way is based on the premise of the lie that the wealthy really are different: smarter, more capable, talented, and so on.

The reality is they're likely far dumber than most of us. There's actually a decent amount of evidence for this, too.

https://fortune.com/2024/12/18/lawsuit-ivy-league-top-universities-allege-wealthy-students-accepted-wrongfully/

When I was first in college back in the early 2000's, I had a friend who was struggling to make ends meet so he could finish his Masters Thesis. So he found work writing original research papers for more wealthy students at more prestigious schools. He got to fund his education, and some rich twat got to put their name on an all-original research paper that can't be proven to actually be plagiarism.

Not only do the wealthy's children get special accommodation if they aren't actually all that smart, but there's a whole cottage industry around them exploiting their poorer peers to inflate their credentials.

I think credential inflation is a massive reason the whole shitshow feels like it's about to fall apart, because we're about 20 years deep into world leaders not actually knowing how anything they're in charge of works because they actually genuinely lack the education to understand it even though they've faked the credentials.

It just gets worse with each successive generation of the wealthy. They insulate their children from failure and fake them being smarter than they are until the parents are too stupid to even know if the kids are faking it properly.

It's like that idea that the poor are bad long-term planners because they have so much more mental load to survive than the wealthy do. However, the wealthy are literally burning down our planet as fast as they can, which will kill our entire species. Doesn't sound like healthy long-term planning to me. Sounds like a fucking lie to justify the idea that the wealthy are somehow special and different when they are not.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 33 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I'm pretty sure that everyone used to understand that wealthy people were wealthy because they were born into it, and poor people the same, and that that had nothing to do with someone's value as a person. Whether you were rich or poor was just your lot in life, completely unrelated to whether you were smart or kind or clever or loyal or anything else.

At some point, that changed. Now, conventional wisdom is that "rich people have a lot of money because they are or did something to deserve it, and poor people are poor because they are or did something to deserve it." Wealth or lack thereof has become a shorthand for a person's value, even though it's still as true as ever that your economic position has everything to do with your parents and little to do with anything else.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The just world fallacy is a lot older than that though. You can blame good ol' religion for that one (which has always been in cahoots with capital for the entirety of its existence).

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[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Is that why Jesus the Capitalist said to give all your possessions away to the poor?

[–] Mr_Fish@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

It's large organized religion that does that, not personal faith. Pretty much everyone here would agree Jesus was a great guy, but would also agree that his church has done a lot of bad shit.

This is coming from me as a Christian, just so you know.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

That changed with the rise of right wing radio and a concerted propaganda campaign funded directly by these rich assholes.

You look at the Kochs or the Mercers or Thiel and you'll find they spent ungodly amounts of money funding rightwing shills. There may have been 1 or 2 rightwing broadcasters that are actually somewhat supported by ads and products. However, now-a-days in particular it's all just some rich assholes dumping a few million on these grifters to keep them in business lying to their audience.

The rise of cable news as the primary source of news has also had a big effect. Turns out billionaires aren't likely to want their newscasters talking about raising their own taxes.

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The Thompson life story the media is trying to portray is all about this. He deserved to be there because he was born in Iowa and went to a state university and worked at a meat packing plant (I can’t find a source for that one but I swear I read it somewhere).

He was a rich farm kid. Almost as rich as it gets in rural Iowa.

He was crowned homecoming king in 1992 and graduated as class valedictorian, a State of Iowa Scholar and an All-State trombonist in band.

He attended the University of Iowa (UI) in Iowa City, where he met his future wife. He received a bachelor's degree in business administration with a major in accounting in 1997. He was also valedictorian of his UI graduating class, and UI later said that he "graduated with special honors and with highest distinction, meaning his GPA was 3.95 or above." [source]

His family was petite bourgeoisie, living in an economic boom for farmers, and the upper middle class in a low cost of income state and time, and this man is the definition of class traitor. He could have been doing something good and he straight up decided to kill people with bureaucracy for money. He could have been a fucking politician and fought for people’s rights to have health care but he chose this. He chose money over people and urged his company to do that too.

If there is a devine bad place, by many views of many religions, he would be there. And clearly many of us have judged him, by our own ethics and beliefs, to be guilty as well. I don’t understand the pacifists that say, “killing is just wrong” and don’t care about those that were killed by his actions. It just astounds me that they can know that, and still say “but, thou shalt not kill”.

[–] hypnotoad__@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago

It's all those bootstraps, don't you know? The rich have been pulling them up harder than you, that's all.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 1 points 3 days ago

This is such an insane position that you mention these people accept because a billion dollars, a thousand million, is so unfathomably wealthy and disgusting that how could anyone ever deserve that much money without being literally Jesus?

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 51 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Oh, so he had those dead cold eyes already at the beginning of his CEO career. Nice.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 4 points 2 days ago

I don't think much of the average person. But, I don't think most people would enrich a company at the cost of bankrupting families and literally killing people by denying the most claims in the entire industry. These people have to be psychopaths.

[–] hobovision@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

How do you think you get to the point of being chosen as CEO of a Fortune 500 company?

[–] driving_crooner 4 points 2 days ago

"Same problems as anyone else"? You Can bet I'm not going to be drunk driving around

[–] dont_lemmee_down@lemm.ee 33 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Wait... Since when is drunk driving so normalized that it is a problem anyone has?

[–] psivchaz@reddthat.com 10 points 2 days ago

I'm a big fan of justice reform on a lot of things. We're way too harsh on so many things, and there's a bunch of stuff that shouldn't even be a crime. Drunk driving is not one of those things, fuck drunk drivers.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

since UHC considered Alcoholism a choice you make and not a disease that's treatable through therapy.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago

Remember this when the prosecution does their best to smear Luigi's character by mentioning that he once got a parking ticket, or maybe he smoked weed that one time.

[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 13 points 2 days ago

Fuck drunk drivers. Fuck them so much. Fuck Thompson. My best friend died in an accident 5 years ago due to a drunk driver. Fucking cunt, hope he’s rotting in hell fucking piece of shit garbage of a human.

The world would be better if these people were removed. Permanently.

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

united health CEO was a convicted criminal

I thought conservatives hated those people

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

Really? They elected one to the highest office in the nation.

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

At least he died doing what he loved. Causing people to die.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

“Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth”, is a law of propaganda often attributed to the Nazi Joseph Goebbels

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I'm assuming he never actually said that, but you know what they say about telling a lie often enough

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

If he didn't say it .... he and his political party were the ones who put it to practice in a national way and normalized it.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago

He looks like a less fun Bobby Moynihan.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You say "kill more people" as if implying he struck and killed someone during his DUI. I can't find anything suggesting that's the case.

[–] treesoid@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Have you asked anyone else than Anthony? /j