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[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 12 points 3 hours ago

Call a lawyer and give a deposition before they can do anything. Collect as much information as possible. Dump all of the cars and electronics that I own, ship my active phone to a different state. Stop using credit cards. Strap up. Send my family to day with various people who I know who are Leo or retired Leo or retired military. Always wear a hat, mask, etc. have a different lawyer set up an LLC without my name attached and use that to register a van to stay in with a business name on the side. Avoid big retailers who use facial recognition. Park the van near my old bosses houses during the day since it looks like a plumbing truck or whatever and sleep during the day since they think I would be hiding somewhere far away. If they see me then they would be shitting themselves. Go to their house when only their spouse or kids are home pretending to be a service person and get pictures inside their house. Send them photos of them and their family leaving and coming home at their school, their wifi ssid, inside of their house, house plans from the county, etc. from a different zip code far away by using a mail forwarding service so they think I've skipped town but I'm actually right there.

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 16 points 4 hours ago

Apparently you just have to kill a ceo in public and dozens of cops will come make sure you don't get suicided before the state does it.

[–] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The trick is to suicide yourself before they do it

Lmfao. That's like cops saying: "Wait, you can't kill your self!" shoot you to death "There, we fixed it!"

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

No busy roads, no flights with very few onboard, no views from balconies or other such places like large hotel windows. Cook everything yourself and you'll be alright!

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 8 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

I wonder if giving the information to the coporations competitor (as anonymously as possible of course) would do anything good? Try to turn the corps against eachother. At least you would know if they are secretly in league if the competitor doesnt expose them.

Also, i think anyone who is in position to do something like this should try to find more like minded people and continue as a group. Even then its dangerous but much less so than alone since there are more people to help. You wouldnt resist enemy occupation alone and expect to live long either.

[–] wetsoggybread@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

This likely wouldnt work because that corporation could get in trouble for corporate espianoge. Some guy reportedly stole the recipe for cococola and tried to sell it to pepsi and they ratted him out

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

The wealthy actually have class solidarity

[–] dariusj18@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Human beings are fragile creatures. Big corps generally don't need to make the big effort of a murder and a cover-up when they can almost completely legally harass people into taking their own lives.

To that end? Get a good therapist and a psych. Preferably not on workplace insurance, if such a thing is feasible for the situation.

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Collect all your evidence into one large archive, upload it somewhere and make it known that if you die of anything other than natural causes, that information will become available to EVERYONE.

Read up on how "dead man's switches" work. If you don't send a signal online, log into a particular account on a regular basis, that sends the release signal.

[–] river_chunk@lemmy.world 23 points 16 hours ago
[–] aaaa@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

But why bother holding back in the first place. If this is whistleblower information like Boeing safety issues, there's no point in setting up a dead man's switch. You want to release it all immediately in the first place, because keeping it to yourself undermines the point of blowing the whistle

[–] asmoranomar@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Might only be the whistleblowing stuff. Might not. Guess you'll have to kill me to find out.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Man, lots of crazy, unrealistic advice here.

One person literally said to live in a motel. No, do not live alone.

The answer is pretty simple, live in a community house with like 8 other people.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

8 potential aids for your murder.

They just have to say: "I give you 1.000.000 bucks if you give this food to that person, it will look like a bad flu and you'll get the money". If one rejects the offer there's 7 more to do so.

[–] NiHaDuncan@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

If one rejects the offer then you now have two people you have to kill. Loose ends are one’s end.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 7 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I said community. Thats no community if your friends would take money to kill you.

Have you ever lived in a community?

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I've seen drama happening in them for much less than a Million bucks if that counts.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Ive lived in a lot of communities. Certainly there's drama, especially with house-cest.

But comparing that to people literally taking money to kill each other is ridiculous lol

Worst I've seen is rape (sadly common). And you bet that rapist was physcially kicked out almost immediately

[–] Overboard8171@startrek.website 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't leak. Spread seldom rumours online about the company with plausible deniability. Find a crazy-er person and/or group. Continue spreading dots. Spread info to Youtubers. Others with a platform. Use a VM, a password manager inside the VM. After 12 months, delete all your credentials and the VM. The system can not protect you. Corps rule democracy. Don't trust the system. Spread the info until it reaches critical mass or the faith in the system collapses. Your life is worth more than some righteous leak. See the Pentagon Papers life. He lived a very humble life afterwards.

NOTE: method untested and invented just now.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 5 points 6 hours ago

wouldnt it just drown with all the insane crap the crackpots spew anyway and become tainted by association with them? But yeah, you definitely shouldnt use your own name and should spread the leak all over.

[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Despite all precautions, if you are one of the few persons whose circumstances could allow the leak, then they'll narrow it down to you. Especially if you were the reluctant one, the one that raised ethical issues etc...

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 236 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Take the advice offered by journalists on how to contact them privately and avoid getting caught. I.e. secure and protect evidence without raising suspicion. Contact a reputable journalist via some secure means of communication. Let them take over and keep silent. Don't brag or something.

Most good newspapers offer something like PGP encrypted mail, SecureDrop over TOR and more to talk to them.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 180 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This children is why the need for private communication isn’t something you can laugh away by claiming you have nothing to hide.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Absolutely. There are many reasons, but attacks on journalists/whistleblowers and the malicious potential of collated data in a capitalist oligarchy are the first two that come to mind.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Do

  • Live on cash from different ATMs;
  • Stay at a hotel/motel that changes weekly;
  • Rent a car and change it at different rental locations every week;
  • Communicate only with your lawyer;
  • Record everything in an official manner as soon as possible.
  • Stay offline
  • Get a dumb phone, and if you must have a computer get a new laptop with no wifi or mobile data hardware;

Do Not

  • Go anywhere you don't need to go;
  • Tell anyone where you are;
  • Go to the middle of nowhere, this reduces your escape routes unless you're Bear Grylls;
  • Confront anyone, they can have you arrested and prison violence makes their job much easier;
  • Go to the news without your lawyer;
  • Use a smartphone, or any device that was yours before and is capable of connecting online;

And most of all don't listen to the billy badasses in here. If a multi billion dollar corporation wants you dead and is willing to break the law they can afford a lot of very nasty people. You aren't getting the tactical training to stand against them in that short amount of time, that takes years and dedication and even then you'll be learning how to run away in a deadly manner. Your best defense is to be ghost except when you show up for court dates and depositions. That's what the Secret Service Witness Protection Program does and it works if you have discipline.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 53 points 1 day ago (3 children)

While it won't help you getting suicided, setting up a deadman's switch on the cloud that will release your testimony is definitely worth doing.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Additionally, give a copy of all the documents to your lawyer to release in the case of your death. Multiple Deadman switches are better than one, especially one that's controlled by a person and not just hoping your cloud service doesn't go down after you're dead.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 162 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

Edward Snowden is a prime example of how to handle it.

Only communicated via encrypted channels.

When revealing himself and his leak, he had already left his home country. He was trying to make it to South America when the US canceled his passport. US went so far as to bring down a sovereign nations Presidential plane to search it for Snowden.

I'm sure he has still had to worry about his personal safety after getting stuck in a country he wasn't planning on getting stuck in.

But the reality is you have to meticulously plan and basically abandon your entire life and move somewhere they cannot touch you. When it comes to US companies, you generally will have to do like Snowden and avoid US-allied nations.

See also: Steven Donziger and Chevron

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Donziger

Donziger was placed under house arrest in August 2019 while awaiting trial on charges of criminal contempt of court, which arose during his appeal against Kaplan's RICO decision, when he refused to turn over electronic devices he owned to Chevron's forensics experts. In July 2021, US District Judge Loretta Preska found him guilty, and Donziger was sentenced to 6 months in jail in October 2021. While Donziger was under house arrest in 2020, twenty-nine Nobel laureates described the actions taken by Chevron against him as "judicial harassment." Human rights campaigners called Chevron's actions an example of a strategic lawsuit against public participation (SLAPP). In April 2021, six members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus demanded that the Department of Justice review Donziger's case. In September 2021, the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights stated that the pre-trial detention imposed on Donziger was illegal and called for his release. Having spent 45 days in prison and a combined total of 993 days under house arrest, Donziger was released on April 25, 2022.

US corporations can and will bring the weight of the US "justice" system on whistleblowers. The US is not unique in this regard. Whatever giant company you're whistleblowing against, you better GTFO of the country they are based in.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 83 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah so many people talk about Snowden going to Russia and ignore the fact that he was only in Russia transferring to another plane when his passport was cancelled stranding him there. The choice was basically stay there, or go back to the US, and that wasn't really an option.

Why the US would want to leave him in Russia as a potential asset for Russian intelligence to break instead of letting him get to a different country that isn't such a direct threat though is a really good question.

[–] Forester@yiffit.net 51 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Easy. They got to call him a Russian operative and brush it under the rug. Go ask the average person about snowden

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[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

how'd you find the guy?

Easy. We had a list of the fifteen or so guys that did that specific part of the job, we got their IP addresses, watched them for a while, and as it turns out, two of them regularly use a VPN and send all of their traffic to Canada.

How long do you think it would take to figure out whether or not which one of these boys are harmless software pirates, or their man?

People do all of the work in the world without knowing that your preparation will blow your cover.

Have you ever visited TailsOS's website off of a VPN? Could the Feds find out? Do you think the other guys have the same level of deniability?

That trail is not washing off. You even knowing or having a history of using a Linux iso is suspicion enough if the rest of the suspects are all boring chuds.

[–] BreadOven@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You need at least 7 proxies.

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Not even, it's just comparing you to the average joe.

Who's more suspicious? The dude who visits GitHub, has a Matrix account and visits the arch wiki every six months or the dude who mostly sticks to Facebook talking to his family?

FBI: ...I don't see anything

Yeah right.

[–] BreadOven@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

That was meant to be a joke. Wasn't the whole "7 proxies" a meme back in the day?

[–] Amanduh@lemm.ee 2 points 36 minutes ago (1 children)

This guy is so into his fantasy he can't see a joke comment a mile away. Actually wait, he knows Linux i hope he doesn't hack me :(

[–] BreadOven@lemmy.world 1 points 14 minutes ago

Haha, yeah, I didn't notice until after I posted (hence the edit removing the "sorry" portion). Also related:

[–] Amanduh@lemm.ee 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Is this some leet hacker fantasy where you are persecuted for using Linux? Lemmy you never disappoint lmao

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Shit take but ok.

If you want to feel inferior for not using Linux, there's plenty of boards for that.

Hell, I'll make you feel inferior right now if you like. How many comments do you want? I'll go grab my tech meme folder and we can /g/ this place up.

[–] Amanduh@lemm.ee 0 points 5 hours ago

Oooh more salt nice lol

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 43 points 1 day ago (13 children)

Amongst everything others have said, if you get sucked into an interview or press conference, directly and firmly state that, for the record, you are not suicidal and that if you should die, it was absolutely not suicide. You believe that you've become a target and fear for your safety and life.

It doesn't matter if you believe yourself to be a target in the privacy of your head. Always say that you are early, often, loudly, and to anyone who will listen.

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[–] Shortstack@reddthat.com 32 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Was just looking at something like how to execute on that this morning as my morning coffee dive down an internet rabbit hole.

There’s this guy named Michael Bazzell who used to make a podcast about stuff like this, and he also wrote a book called Extreme Privacy that I thumbed through this morning. He talks about where to go to get a ghost address, how to buy and set up a cell phone to be virtually anonymous, how to buy a house anonymously or how to re-title your car to a trust or LLC, and pretty much everything in between. Even talks about what information to not divulge when you go to the ER and details what to consider you put on your kids birth certificate.

So if anyone is paranoid enough to know how to avoid getting suicided, I’m going to bet on this guy’s advice

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