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Summary

Elon Musk faced backlash from his followers on X after advocating for importing “super talented engineers” to address a shortage in the U.S. tech industry.

Musk likened hiring top foreign talent to building a championship sports team and argues that there is a shortage of talented and motivated American engineers.

Critics argued there’s sufficient U.S. talent being overlooked or underpaid, with some pointing to widespread tech layoffs.

Musk dismissed claims of low wages or training gaps, maintaining a need for exceptional engineering talent to advance innovation.

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[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 1 points 22 minutes ago

Elon wamts to destroy education in the US so this is to compensate for that move.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 10 points 10 hours ago

Musk replied. "OF COURSE my companies and I would prefer to hire Americans and we DO, as that is MUCH easier than going through the incredibly painful and slow work visa process. HOWEVER, there is a dire shortage of extremely talented and motivated engineers in America."

I'Ve BuRnEd OuT aLl ThE WiLlInG nErDs hErE aNd I nEeD tO bUy SoMe FrOm OvEr ThErE1!1!

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 41 points 17 hours ago

Right-Wing bootlickers continue to learn they aren't in the in-crowd they desperately seek to join.

[–] RazTheCat@lemmy.world 38 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

He's so fucking stupid. It's exhausting.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 22 minutes ago* (last edited 22 minutes ago)

Well, not in this case. In this case, Musk is absolutely right. Probably what he would actually be if he hadn't gone full to the weird dark side.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 17 points 17 hours ago

Well, I'm not sure I'd call it stupid, exactly. He wants indentured servants, cheap. It's about accruing more power and wealth to himself.

Now, our government should be set up to STOP unregulated capitalism like this, but at this point, it's been captured by the capitalists, and they are basically there to give a huge assist to capitalists instead.

[–] atempuser23@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

He's not stupid. He's abusive. He knows what he's doing and why. He will save millions and keep the wages of his pool of talent depressed.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Bit of both, Mysk didn’t even complete his college degree. Being born into money does not, by default, correlate to intelligence

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 20 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The Muskrat wants cheap engineers that will work like China's 9-9-6.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 5 points 10 hours ago

Well he saw that the only people willing to work at Twitter were extremely desperate to stay in the country

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 22 points 19 hours ago

Globalism for me but not for thee

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 22 points 19 hours ago (6 children)

Do I really need to login just to view a comment?

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago

why, would you rather have a less shitty internet?

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[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 97 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Super talented = extremely desperate foreigners who'll work 90hr weeks for very low pay.

Just in case anyone needed a translation.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago

I was "lucky" enough to be around during the dot-com meltdown and seeing H-1Bs still being used/abused, even as so many citizens were being cast away. This scam has been around for quite some time. The cap was 115K in 99 and 2000.

Perversely, when the bubble really started taking its toll, the cap was 195K from 2001-2003.

During much of this time period, you'd look around and see 200 people applying for one cruddy junior/intermediate type of software engineer position. Why the cap was not zeroed out in emergency legislation tells you all you need to know about anyone looking out for Americans who work for a living.

Companies claiming things are so dire that they just cannot find the local talent are so very full of it. If they were the least bit genuine, they'd be paying HIGHER wages to the people they do bring in on a visa and they'd be lobbying for permanent status, not this six year max thing.

Now if Elmo was talking about basically being a worldwide talent scout to bring people here with full citizenship status AND being paid top dollar, we'd be talking something different, but if he's talking about more H-1Bs, it's the same old shit as it ever was....

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 18 points 21 hours ago

And who are really indentured servitude type slaves

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 8 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

Is there a shortage?

Or are you only looking at Bay Area hires because I see a great number of good and bad engineers in Midwest and eastern parts of the USA.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 2 points 48 minutes ago

I'll break the flow of shitting on Elon (a hobby of mine, but it gets old) and say yes, we have a large number of engineers. Yes, a lot of them suck real hard. Good ones are often promoted to the level of their incompetence, others are just well-polished incompetents who know how to talk the talk. So...yes, there is a shortage. However adding more to the pool won't fix the bad hiring and promotion practices in the industry.

Also, doesn't really matter if there's a bunch in the Midwest if you can't convince any of your existing staff to uproot to some racist pro-trump place with extreme temperatures (assuming you want some level of in person interaction). Texas is only palatable because the place they're moving is Austin which is....not quite as racist. And tech bros have never had a reputation for being pro women.

[–] way_of_UwU@programming.dev 15 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

A shortage of engineers willing to work for Musk-led companies, maybe. Tesla is well-known in tech circles to have awful work culture. You can only survive with high turnover like that for so long before most American engineers know that there are much greener pastures.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 5 points 10 hours ago

A shortage of engineers willing to work for Musk-led companies, maybe.

Not maybe at all. Every tech group I'm in would rather work fast food than do a 90 hour week under Musk.

I used to be in a group during the 2022-2023 era where we shared memes of recruiters who were trying to convince engineers to go to Twitter. The meme well dried up when all the recruiters were fired.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 14 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes there is a shortage, a shortage of workers who are unable to say no without being threatened with deportation and compensated with far lower non-competitive wages.

The industry is flooded with American workers though

There is becoming more and more of a shortage of good engineers who want to work for companies associated with him I am sure. All they have to do is read about his business practices.

He believes in overworking, underpaying, and is anti-unions because he knows they would fight against the wages, policies, and work practices he wants to force against people.

Elon Musk is anti-workers. And thus, since workers are the fabric of this nation.... Elon Musk is anti-america.

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[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 79 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What I'm reading is that he wants Chinese or Indian engineers because they are as qualified as the next guy, they're already used to insane hours and no holidays AND he can just pay them their original wage, which is peanuts compared to what US engineers make. Also once he's done with them he can just deport them. What's not to like?!

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago

The broligarchs have always loved the H-1B fraud.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 109 points 1 day ago (3 children)

He didn't explain to them that holders of H1B visas have to stay with the corporation that hires them or else they get deported. It's semi-slavery. Conservatives would love it.

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 14 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Musk is currently fighting with Laura Loomer over this and even pretended to be someone else in order to argue with her over Twitter Spaces and it is very, very funny to watch.

[–] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 11 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

christ it should be a rule to never post links to sites that require accounts or logins when sharing information about a discussion without also providing screenshots or a non-account mirror.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

Christ, it should be a rule never to be this pissy with people sharing information. Here's a screenshot. Of an audio post. Not sure how much help that's going to be, so I guess you can just read about it on Mediaite or Raw Story in a few days.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago

Not sure if there is something better....

https://bskyviewer.github.io/

[–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 4 points 15 hours ago

When I voted for the leopards ate my face party I didn't think that the leopards would eat their own faces ;)

[–] Michal@programming.dev 73 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"import" like it's livestock. Strategically avoiding the word "migration", too.

[–] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I believe it was a CEO of British Airways that referred to passengers as "self-loading cargo", so it's not like it's new that the haves see the have-nots as a resource to be managed.

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