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I'm not a lib lmao but I'm also just here to vibe. I'm probably a lib to most people here but like 🤷‍♀️

Tbh I do the whole saying you thing alot when I'm trying to explain stuff and people are like what no I'm not and I'm like oh no I meant like the general topic of conversation.

In the end I think for guys who've been near to that centre and have pulled away there will be a natural sympathy that imo (to be debated another time) presents as understanding of wider issue because of a personal experience. And then believing that personal experience to be representative of the wider whole.

That same paragraph could be applied to women who've faced violence or grief from incels but the difference is that we are the victims, we HAVE to understand why men are violent to survive them and we've being doing that for a while now with feminism.

I'm not saying women have the answers but we have decades of research, academia, discussion and lived experience as well as facing similar and more oppressive societal structures.

Maybe trust we might have a good starting point for this debate than men who only started really addressing their cultural issues more recently?

Incels propagate violence towards women. They aren't the first. This is a cycle. We have a good starting point on why violence towards women happens. Why incels are uniquely the way they are is to find out but feminists do have a decent bit of knowledge to draw from that is always dismissed in my experience.

Anyway I'm not the smart feminist to be soapboxing and I've probably said something stupid so I'm slink away now. Sorrryyyy going to sleeeeppp.

Edit: aaaa I did the using you but not actually meaning you personally thing. Shit.

1. It's ridiculous and should only be condemned. It's concerning that the foundation of some of these people is belief in conversion therapy. Sorry for implying you did.

2. Probably

3. This gets said a lot but most gay men I know are vers/switch and don't have hard and fast rules in actual dating relationships. The top shortage thing is probably more to do with hookups because for a hookup people usually have an idea about what they want which is to be railed.

4. Please don't insinuate im an extremist, I yap on a lefty forum on an account I made during a particularly bad period and don't do any violence or have any plans or desires or wishes to harm anyone, call me a lib. Conflating that with people who actively wish death on women is wild.

But if you're really serious about acting against them, it's important to understand how they work and where their motivations come from, you can't just make shit up or hastily string faulty inferences together and then have it be unassailable because challenging this negative claim is de facto apologetics. It doesn't make any sense.

Excuse me?

You have no idea who i am, what i do, what I've read or studied etc. That's just an assumption you just made.

Sorry I didn't prep for a debate on the motivations of violence towards women in that clique of men and have all my references and citations ready to go.

I didn't see you as an apologist more someone who's missing half the picture on this issue by virtue of being a man and not the victim of the chain of violence. And also made some dodgy comments i replied to.

I had read the rest of your comments and others before I replied. I only commented cos of the things I initially called out.

It's not like I haven't read or taken anything in and I don't like how you assume I've dismissed it. I do talk to men in real life. I have spoken and listened to others, I do have a boyfriend who has a voice and opinion too. I wasn't planning to spend all night effort posting either.

Aaaaa nooooooooo

1. You can't convert to being gay, sexuality is fluid sure but if someone finds relief in dating men they didn't successfully convert themselves, they were just a repressed queer person. That's legitimising conversion therapy but the opposite way round.

2. No, nobody is happy to hear straight people are "converting themselves queer" if it's because of mental health and trauma. That's awful. I want all queer people to be happy, not forced by some self hatred.

3. No gay men don't get it easier, it's just as difficult/easy for them, this is a wild bit of homophobia. They aren't more promiscuous or sex having. Just as many sit on the Internet being horny as straight men do and not getting laid like everyone else.

4. We don't apologise for fascists here for getting radicised, we have nuanced conversations about how radicalisation happens i hope. Inceldom is classified as an extremist ideology. If people want to reform from it then they have to take ownership of themselves and their behaviours to some degree, not look for imo whataboutisms regarding an ideology that's lead to multiple mass shootings, murders, redacted etc of women.

Maybe I don't get what you mean but to me it seems like you underestimate how scary this ideology is to women given how damaging and harmful it can be. It's gone beyond sad boys getting ghosted and venting on the Internet.

Sorry maybe I'm speaking from my own trauma here but this stuff is so scary.

You might be happy to know, though, that one of the veins of discourse in the incel community is basically doing conversion therapy to become gay because they believe (I think correctly) that it's way easier on average for a dude to get laid if he's gay. I've never seen someone report that the converted themselves, though.

This paragraph i'm referencing, nope nope nope.

The world of dating is too dangerous for anyone not cis het male and white and who the hell would risk their safety and take a chance on someone who blatantly blames women for their woes when even the more "normal" ones can pop off.

It's just not worth it ever.

I've known (emphasis on the known) a fare few guys who toe'd the incel line if not went all in.

All of them were cute, not one of them was physically undateable like that is even the most important thing (any guys reading its really 100% not). One was even like the hottest guy in our wider group.

All of them were fucking weird about women and blamed women for only liking dickhead guys and not nice guys like them.

It was 100% a them problem.

If they didn't have too high standards and rejected any girls who did look past their bs, they would go for people already taken and it's like WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!

I'm guilty of saying "I have a bf" as a knee jerk reaction to random guys invading my space like inviting themselves to sit with me or something ngl.

But just as much I don't bring my bf up around guys who give off a particularly energy. I'm scared they'll lash out if they find out I'm "not theirs for the taking" and instead i just get away as quickly as I can.

Every friend i have who dates men has a story like this. (god I realise that sounds like him lmao)

Don't know how I feel about having to engage and teach feminism to the later group when I'm scared to even be honest around them.

Yeah Lauren Southern been one of destiny's flings it just makes my skin crawl

I've definitely met more elitists in physics vs chemistry or biology but I'm also not smart so

Erghhhhhhhhhh

Dunning kruger dunning kruger dunning kruger

Bet her egos a big as my self loathing the cow.

💀 I feel that pain, I just want to BE Jane and I dumped literally everything I'd saved up till then in game on her and her weapon which I got so honestly im like happy and set with the game lmao but like erghhhhhh.

I really want miyabi because she's such a weird little gremlin and having to stand on a box 😭😭😭 short girl solidarity queen 🥰 but my like "main" team is Jane/Qingyi/Burnice and it makes me feel so much better at the game than I probably am. With the Jane disorder assault crits during stun making big numbers pop up so i don't wanna swap anyone out for Miyabi erghhhhh.

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