this post was submitted on 07 Nov 2024
157 points (96.4% liked)

Ask Lemmy

26968 readers
819 users here now

A Fediverse community for open-ended, thought provoking questions

Please don't post about US Politics. If you need to do this, try !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world


Rules: (interactive)


1) Be nice and; have funDoxxing, trolling, sealioning, racism, and toxicity are not welcomed in AskLemmy. Remember what your mother said: if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. In addition, the site-wide Lemmy.world terms of service also apply here. Please familiarize yourself with them


2) All posts must end with a '?'This is sort of like Jeopardy. Please phrase all post titles in the form of a proper question ending with ?


3) No spamPlease do not flood the community with nonsense. Actual suspected spammers will be banned on site. No astroturfing.


4) NSFW is okay, within reasonJust remember to tag posts with either a content warning or a [NSFW] tag. Overtly sexual posts are not allowed, please direct them to either !asklemmyafterdark@lemmy.world or !asklemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com. NSFW comments should be restricted to posts tagged [NSFW].


5) This is not a support community.
It is not a place for 'how do I?', type questions. If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email info@lemmy.world. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.


Reminder: The terms of service apply here too.

Partnered Communities:

Tech Support

No Stupid Questions

You Should Know

Reddit

Jokes

Ask Ouija


Logo design credit goes to: tubbadu


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Or maybe you still love it, but now you have a different perspective.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Richmen North of Richmond.

I love the sound, and at first it sounds like a pro worker union song (and it kinda is).

But there's way too much dog whistle.... An old soul in a new world.... Dude the south lost and slavery is bad. I'm sorry

And then he slips in some super disappointing language about fat people on welfare.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Dude the south lost and slavery is bad. I’m sorry

WTF? Don't be sorry about that!

I know it's just sort of a reflexive idiomatic politeness, but still, it is really important to make it absolutely crystal clear how irredeemably contemptible the "lost cause" shit take is, at every opportunity. Never, ever be polite about it!

[–] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Thank you.

"The south lost and slavery is bad, kindly get fucked."

Sorry as a Canadian and a woman I just can't not be polite.....

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Oh, no. We make an exception for Canadians. We know that if you stop being polite, Geneva is going to have to cut down a forest to write new regulations.

[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes he did. Sherman stopped before he hung the traitorous leadership.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, never leave that job half done.

Shh, Don't let Israel hear you!

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

An old soul in a new world… Dude the south lost and slavery is bad. I’m sorry

I think that's an uncharitable reading. Which is understandable, but still.

I think that there are a lot of people--myself included--that would like to be able to make a living doing something that seems to matter, or where you make something. Like, factory work sucks in most ways, but it still feels like you're doing something. Spreadsheets and order projections? Staring at a screen all day, sending polite emails to people you'll never meet about ways to spend a lot of money electronically?

This "new world" of work and socializing ain't great. I think it snuck up on a lot of people, and now a lot of people are feeling like they don't know how to navigate the new reality of depersonalization.

[–] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree. Nearly every lyric in that song, when isolated, sounds fine and agreeable. Even when he attacks people on welfare "if you're 5'- 3 and 300lbs, taxes ought not to pay, for your bags of fudge rounds." Isn't wrong.

Taxes shouldn't be used by fat cats to get fatter. But he isn't saying that. He is punching down and attacking a group of people who are suffering in "the new world" just like him, and a fucking bag of cookies is one of the few joys they can still aquire. He could have chosen to attack the elite, even if he only meant the ones to the North. He didn't.

"It's a damn shame, what the world's gotten to, for people like me, and people like you."

Sounds great. Now picture his audience. Who are they, and who are they thinking of when they hear that line?

This song is called "Richmen North of Richmond." It's the Northerner's fault all these bad things are happening.

It's that movie with Rowdy Piper and the glasses. You have to put them on to see the whole message. Dog whistling at its finest.

If he had made a few small changes it could have been a powerful pro-worker lament and I would be playing it to death. Instead it was #11 on Trump's "Standing on the stage for 44 minutes swaying back and forth because America is so easy to con so why not?"

It's a damn shame.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He is punching down and attacking a group of people who are suffering in “the new world” just like him, and a fucking bag of cookies is one of the few joys they can still aquire.

I know a lot of people that are quite overall politically liberal that feel this way. I know a lot of people that get upset at the idea of inmates being given "free" educations in prison because they still have student loans 20 years after school. People that support the ideas of helping people up, that are fully on board with LGBTQ+ rights across the board, think DEI is a good idea, think it's critical that women have bodily autonomy, and so on, but still have a knee-jerk reaction to things that they don't fully get, or haven't had explained to them.

I don't know if he meant the song that way, or what. I do know that the people coming into the White House in a few months aren't likely to make things any better for people like him. Or people like you. Or people like me.

[–] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Wish I could just wake up and it not be true.

But it is. Oh it is.