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[–] kava@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

why are y’all scared of taking responsibility for allowing a Nazi to gain power when you decided to not vote

I voted for Kamala but I still blame the DNC

the issue is two fold

a) they played games with democracy, further accelerating the erosion of whatever little faith remains in our democracy institutions. there should have been a primary, not the underhanded switcharoo we got to witness where for the first time in US history since primaries were a thing.. we had a presidential candidate nominated without a single vote

b) while voters are struggling and going through a period of profound insecurity - not only financially but in a very real social sense - they offer more of the same. neoliberal status quo. people are desperate for change and the DNC offers them nothing.

you blame the voters but you do not want to put an ounce of blame on the party that would rather lose an election than offer meaningful change

[–] brianary@startrek.website 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

you blame the voters but you do not want to put an ounce of blame on the party that would rather lose an election than offer meaningful change

Uh…

the DNC is out of touch with voters.

What is this, if not shared blame?

[–] kava@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

i guess the implication is that he puts more blame on the voters, as that is what his comments are mainly focused on.

me personally I don't blame the voters at all. just like I don't blame the German public for voting in the Nazis.

humans are stupid herd animals who will elect strongmen when they feel weak and scared.

i believe you can only put blame on people that have autonomy. and the only people with any real autonomy in this country are the elites, which have stuck their fingers in their ears and their heads in the sand for far too long.

the pressure pot is cooking and I think it's too late to stop it. maybe if we were a little less greedy over the last few decades and a little less focused on the short term, we could have skipped this resurgence of fascism that we're about to live through

but politicians only care about the next election and corporations only care about the next quarter. we are a short term society and have sacrificed the long term health of our country

[–] brianary@startrek.website 2 points 2 weeks ago

Interesting. That's an angle I'll have to consider. It seems like democracy with fixed terms and term limits has a similar problem to capitalism: myopia.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

and installing a Nazi regime that has, on record, stated they will never let go of control is the best answer y'all could come up with?

how is any of that going to make the struggle BETTER?

will unbridled fascism help calm the masses and stabilize the inequalities of the previous democracy?

will it restore and protect the rights of Americans?

you blame the voters but you do not want to put an ounce of blame on the party that would rather lose an election than offer meaningful change

I blame the DNC of being inept! I never fucking said they weren't!

I can still blame the electorate for allowing a fascist dictatorship to take hold in American government.

Just because you call out a fault doesn't absolve the other party, both are at fault here. I'm just disappointed that voters ignored all reason and decided to fuck all of us(including themselves), to spite us.

btw, what kind of "meaningful change" can we expect now that sweet potato Hitler is in power?

[–] weeeeum@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Voting for a Nazi won't make things better, but when people are desperate they want change, any change. Weimar Germany was democratic, Hitler and the Nazi party legitimately won the popular vote.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago

So the democrat deciding to run as the corporatist party again is the voters fault?

Even running an unpopular campaign that was guaranteed to continue genocide and corporate profiteering, they lost to Trump with all his baggage.

Maybe people care a lot less who a person is than what problems they say they will fix.

I'd suggest you move to a blue state if you are really concerned, and I'll see you in four years for the next election.