How does an anti-Zionist Jew walk around and be misidentified as non-white? You're talking about other Jews accusing them of antisemitism for not being Zionists, is this your example of a racist attack against them for somehow exiting their position as white people?

No, anti-Zionist Ashkenazi Jews still walk around with all the privilege of every other white person. Until the entire Jewish collective is removed from whiteness wholesale, there is no distinguishing one as white and one as not white. Whiteness is a power dynamic defined by power over non white people, which every Ashkenazi Jew has regardless of their personal beliefs. There may be infighting among the Jewish community about Zionism but that is irrelevant to the concept of whiteness, privilege, and power over non white people

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[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

I'll just clarify first that when I mentioned jewish people below, I am talking about ethnic european jews and not jewish people of color.

Racism and colorism are similar, but distinct oppressions. Sure, a Jewish person with passing complexion is safe as an anonymous person on the streets, but once they are identified as an anti-Zionist Jew things become very different: police become more aggressive, job opportunities disappear, other whites become violent, etc. There is definitely a privilege to having passing complexion, but that only lasts as long as their anonymity lasts. Once it's "discovered" that they're not a core white ethnicity, and they're disloyal to whiteness, the knives come out.

Okay but is this really true? For the police example, what other context would you be referencing besides maybe a pro-Palestinian protest, do you have examples of cops singling out Jewish protesters and not everyone else?

For the job opportunities, do vocally anti-zionist goy lose job opportunities too, or only vocally anti-zionist jews? Not talking about Jewish organizations run by Zionists, but regular jobs that aren't religious in character.

For other whites becoming violent, I don't see how someone isn't already antisemitic would single out anti-zionist jews to be hateful towards, surely they would be the same amount of antisemitic to any jewish person? are you asserting selective antisemitism among non jews towards only anti-zionist jews only when it is apparent they are anti-zionist?

Once any anti-zionist is discovered, jewish or not, zionists will attack them. They might have jewish specific insults to hurl at anti-zionist jews, they might see them as betrayers of their shared religion and so have more a motive to make that clear, but if an anti-zionist jewish person is attacked by a zionist, that same anti-zionist jewish person can still walk away from that encounter with all the same privilege and power over non-white people. maybe if they apply for a job at the place where the zionist who attacked them is the hiring manager, they won't get a job, but otherwise they would still get hired before an equally qualified non-white person.

Let me clarify: I'm talking about Anglo and Franco whites being antisemitic against Jews for not being sufficiently Zionist. We've seen all the hits: accusing them of controlling the media to spread lies, accusing them of controlling UN and agencies like Amnesty to spread lies, of being shiftless cosmopolitans that aren't loyal to any country and can't be trusted, of controlling opposition political parties to enact their sinister plots like Great Replacement, etc etc. This is wielded, by whites, against anti-Zionist Jews.

I've seen all these attacks against jewish people but I have never seen or heard of any anti-zionist jewish person saying they have been singled out by non-jewish people for being anti-zionist. of course this isn't evidence that it hasn't happened, but I'm having a hard time following your logic and see no evidence to support it. I have heard antisemitic people say these things about Israel itself and "the jews" in general, but not anti-zionist jews specifically. I have had jewish friends working in jewish orgs get pushed out because of their vocal anti-zionism, but these people didn't lose their whiteness in the process.

I appreciate you taking the time to go back and forth with me on this but it feels like you are really reaching with this conclusion that anti-zionist jews have the benefits of their whiteness taken away for being anti-zionist.