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I'm moreso talking about when the overall socialist/anti-imperialist bloc rises up against the imperialist bloc.
Russia is prioritizing its self-preservation. that's understandable, but to pretend that Russia is prioritizing the long term interests of an anti-imperialist (to say nothing of socialist) bloc by choice or design would be wishful thinking. since the overthrow of the Soviet Union, the government of the Russian Federation has wanted nothing more than to renounce its history for a seat at the table with the imperialist powers as an equal partner. they wanted to join NATO, and they'd still do that in a heartbeat if the US and EU were willing to accept Russians as "real white people" (impossible). Modern Russia is only anti-imperialist to the extent that the empire forces them into that role to survive.
Your concerns are valid and understandable and I agree with you in some respects. I'm not accusing the Russian government of being flawless, all-knowing, purposeful or 100 percent altruistic or beneficial. And you are correct in that for a long time now, Russia, and many members of the Russian bourgeoisie, have merely wanted a seat at the table than to overthrow the whole system, and that is still a concern and a challenge.
I wager that it is way too long ago, that ship of Russia sitting at the imperialist table has sailed years ago, and Russians in general and politicians are and should be waking up to that fact, and I think Putin will eventually as well.
It is in Russia's best interest to go full ham now. No matter what Russia says or does, it's becoming increasingly unlikely that Russia can or will turn back it's route to ingratiate itself with the imperialist west.
Possibly inadvertently, Russia has majorly helped lay down the foundations for the coming multipolar, anti-imperialist and socialist world, what with it's decades of connections and alliances, and it's most recent decade-ish of building alternative pathways in regards to trade, diplomacy, governance, and economic development. Russia has no reason and nothing to gain to suddenly turn back now. Even thinking from a sociopath's or an extremely greedy person's perspective, it's in Russia's best interest to forge onward.
Sometimes, the best path to personal gain is a degree of practical cooperation, altruism and win-win cooperation. There is a bit of greed in altruism, which isn't inherently a bad thing.
Which will come when exactly? If Syria or Palestine aren’t worth anything, when will they rise up? I am entirely disillusioned with Russia.
Correct, they won't even stop business with countries that are outright hostile to them let alone stick up for Palestine, Syria, or Lebanon.
But did you forget that Russian capitalist arms companies have to make profit?
I’ve tried to say this for years at this point, but I feel like people here have gone way to far in their “critical support” and genuinely believe they Russia is the second coming of the Soviet Union..: when they’re an opportunistic, rabidly reactionary, capitalist state. One that just so happens to be anti-US.
Yep, I completely agree. How easy would it have been to literally shoot down just one or two IAf jets? That would have stopped their adventures in Syria long ago. But Russia still hopes for good relations with israel and the west.
Heck what a great advertisement for their arms company if they brought down IAF jets.
Putin is just a slightly less wimpier Gorbachev. He comes from the same anti communist circles.
Putin is an anti-communist douchebag that has praised members of the White Army before, but alot of Russia's economic policies since the SMO have ironically been leading the country in a socialist direction, and more efficiently than capitalist countries. Not saying that Putin cares or understands that full picture, I see him as caring about efficiency.
Wow, so he literally got forced into some good policies through western imperialism's refusal to bend even a little. Ultimately, I think that will be western imperialism's demise.
I think/hope that it seems to be raising up the Russian people's demands for socialism.
I think you're laying it a little hard on Russia here. Not saying that Russia is a perfect angel or is some kind of master planner or altruistic, or that Russia isn't a right-wing shithole, but I think that for now, Russia is in it's best interests to assist the Global South and when it does act, it moves mountains. It can't act every single time, it has to pick it's battles.