this post was submitted on 10 Aug 2023
176 points (75.4% liked)

GenZedong

4306 readers
55 users here now

This is a Dengist community in favor of Bashar al-Assad with no information that can lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton, our fellow liberal and queen. This community is not ironic. We are Marxists-Leninists.

This community is for posts about Marxism and geopolitics (including shitposts to some extent). Serious posts can be posted here or in /c/GenZhou. Reactionary or ultra-leftist cringe posts belong in /c/shitreactionariessay or /c/shitultrassay respectively.

We have a Matrix homeserver and a Matrix space. See this thread for more information. If you believe the server may be down, check the status on status.elara.ws.

Rules:

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Definitely. Americans in particular are surrounded by media that affirms and reaffirms their supposed greatness, but libs across the west believe similar stuff and it's not just because they're in an echo chamber. emizeko shared this article that goes into another aspect of liberal myth making: westerners agree with this shit because they want to.

Westerners aren’t helpless innocents whose minds are injected with atrocity propaganda, science fiction-style; they’re generally smug bourgeois proletarians who intelligently seek out as much racist propaganda as they can get their hands on. This is because it fundamentally makes them feel better about who they are and how they live.

I believe that, on the contrary, the process of Western propaganda is better understood in terms of “licensing”: the issuing of moral license for the bourgeois proletariat to profitably go along with bourgeois designs without the feeling of shame overwhelming. In this alternative account people aren’t “brainwashed” insofar as they don’t actually believe the lies, not in the way that we generally understand belief. It’s more correct to say that they go along with them, whether enthusiastically or apprehensively, because it’s actually their optimal survival strategy.

I think everyone is well aware of how little change they can truly effect within liberal democracy. How much carnage their governments cause at home and abroad. What happens to people who protest... Accepting that all the people our government subjugates deserve it brings a sort of comfort. Pride, even.

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I do disagree with the article somewhat. Though it is probably more splitting hairs than anything else.

From my point of view it seems less that they want to believe it, and more that they aren't given the tools to properly analyze it. They are given fiction as their "tool" for understanding the world, and when the propaganda resembles their fiction, they don't question it because it matches their toolset.

Of course, there's still no excuse for not breaking out of that pattern and refusing to learn more. I agree with the article there. I'd say almost everyone here did at some point, even under awful circumstances where it would've been much easier to just "switch off" and remain content. Though intellectual laziness is one of the biggest virtues in the west.

[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago

That's true. Though being politically illiterate doesn't explain why libs are so incurious, to the point of dismissing evidence before even looking at it. Their ignorance is willful to an extent because they know on some level that they benefit materially from playing along. Or if they don't benefit, then they can at least avoid getting punished for rocking the boat.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I can't ascribe much agency or self awareness to the us burgerosie. I'll grant that most of them have normal human faculties but the ones i interact with are profoundly ignorant and incurious to the point where they might as well be ayerdales for all the intellectual function they utilize

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

"Burgerosie" is much more fun than "labour aristocracy."