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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 104 points 19 hours ago (7 children)

Circle jerking about China is as ridiculous as circle jerking about the US. We've been here before with US vs USSR, but this time everyone has a megaphone and an IQ that can be measured with a ruler.

[–] unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Sorry for being pedantic, but those foldable work rulers are exactly 2 m long (at least in MetricLandia), which is, incidentally, the span of IQ values (0-200).

So yeah, it literally can be mapped one-to-one to a (common type of) ruler.

A photo of an IQ ruler

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 45 minutes ago

200cm, the american one is up to 80 inches 😁

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 28 points 16 hours ago

Niether Moscow or Washington, but somehow Washington actually very-intelligent

[–] rando895@lemmygrad.ml 64 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I mean isn't this more "circle jerking " about dismantling state propaganda? Interacting with those you were told are your enemy?

Besides, people should always celebrate the positives, and look towards them as something that is possible in their country too.

And as an fyi: when we were here before, the workers revolution in Russia was new. The achievements were so profound that workers in North America began demanding similar concessions from our governments. There was a real threat of overthrowing the existing power structures. And what happened? Weekends, literacy, healthcare, just generally improved living conditions. To dismiss cultural exchange as circle jerking is to ignore history and the power that comes with knowing things are better elsewhere, and that you can have that too.

[–] Andrzej3K@hexbear.net 15 points 17 hours ago
[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 hours ago

when we were here before

🎶Couldn't look you in the eye 🎶

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 48 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

You keep on coping there little buddy. What's happening is that regular people from both countries are now talking directly to each other, and finding out what life is actually like.

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Uhhh, not exactly regular people. From what I've seen from the Rednote, at least my feed is wealthy upper-middle or upper class, while the Americans are from low to middle class.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 hours ago

not what I see in my feed, might depend on the interests you picked and whom you followed, etc

[–] gubblebumbum@lemm.ee 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

what was preventing them from doing it before?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 30 points 14 hours ago (19 children)

Lack of will on the part of Americans to engage on Chinese platforms like Xiaohongshu. The looming TikTok ban is what pushed people over the edge.

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[–] REgon@hexbear.net 16 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (14 children)

Wow those sure are some thoughts you managed to have. Big boys and girl and gems usually like to talk to each other and listen. You should try it. Use your words. What is your critique of the USSR and why do you perceive "realising we've been propagandised about china" as being akin to a circle of people masturbating?

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[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 26 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

If what you're trying to get at is that whereas it is very important to unlearn the lies and exaggerations one was told about a country, that people also need to avoid replacing these lies with an overly simplistic and uncritical understanding of that same country, and that the current social media landscape makes it very difficult for many people to have the necessary nuance to avoid this pitfall... Then I would agree with you, but I'd also tell you that mentioning the eugenicists' favorite way of measuring "intelligence" is a very bad way of phrasing this idea, and that your standards of what counts as "circle-jerking" about a country are probably not nearly as inviting of nuance as you'd think.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 11 points 17 hours ago

...mentioning the eugenicists' favorite way of measuring "intelligence" is a very bad way of phrasing this idea...

100% agree. The IQ thing is a tired and lazy joke. I need to work on a replacement for that old jab.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 15 points 17 hours ago (7 children)

Make a point you verbose idiot. You said literally nothing of enough substance to know what's in your little rat brain.

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