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[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 27 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

This is why I take issue with anyone who talks shit about Sakai's Settlers. The whole posture that "you gotta appeal to the white workers" or even within leftist orgs to tiptoe around the fact that the US is a settler, genocidal, imperialist state which exploits workers abroad and at home people of color most of all to give few concessions to the labor aristocracy leads to shit like this. White unions were advocating for (and getting) this exact shit more than a century ago, it's just missing the slurs.

In a Nazi country the Strasserites think they're the left.

[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I think there are criticisms of Sakai, but of course the point is that these Nazbol douchebags always overinflate their criticism, or use it as an excuse to dismiss him rather than learn from him, and their criticisms of him are rarely in good faith, or ignore the point or sentiment. Their complaint is that Sakai calls out their racism, even if Sakai was too fatalistic about it, and these reich-wingers either are nazis, or carry water for them.

I've read that Sakai denies the Nanking Massacre (one of the most horrific atrocities in all of human history) and he constantly downplays the evils, crimes and atrocities of fascist Japan, or blames the West for them more so than Fascist Japan.

Or that Sakai seemed to be wrong in some aspects, such as that white people can be impoverished, just rarely as impoverished as people of color.

Anyone who waves a confederate flag or justifies racism should get a boot up their ass.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

That's why I said "talks shit", no work is above criticism but going "uhhhh he's not even Marxist he's just anti white" or a variation thereof is suspicious as fuck and expected whenever you say "read Settlers".

It's the "Marx loved dictatorships and murder" of white leftists, repeated far too often from people who really should see for themselves.

Sakai makes a nuanced critique of WW2 that correctly points out that the oppressed peoples of the world were conflicted in their loyalties because to them the colonial empires that had oppressed them for so long were being attacked by another nation dressing themselves in a pro-worker rhetoric (even if we know now it was a very thin facade). The British and the french accused them of atrocities but what good was their word when they said the same of the USSR, of every nation that cast off their colonizers? What good was their talk of atrocities while they were starving the Bengalis? How could they trust Belgians knowing what they did to the Congolese?Sakai's point is precisely how quick imperialists are to shift the blame to people for not having undying subordination to their brand of empire.

As to the denial of Nanking, I certainly don't recall it and it would have stuck out like a sore thumb when he dedicated some fifty pages to how the west coast was built by Chinese and Latino workers only for the settlers to demand their internment and expulsion(excluding, of course, any woman a white man wanted to claim as his wife and property). But if you have a source handy pointing me to it I'd like to read it.

[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

I don't have a source on hand, unfortunately, but I swear I've read him deny it in a passage. But as always, I could be wrong.

I feel the exact same way about Nazbols/Strasserites.

I used to be a huge follower/fan of RainerShea, for instance. But over the course of the past year-ish, I think he is a lost cause.

I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, and see things from other people's point of view. I fucking tried. But after so much horrible treatment, abuse, and just plain interaction with so-called "MAGA-Communists" (I always hated MAGA-Communists, don't get me wrong, but I used to think that maybe a very small number of "conservative communists" were genuinely misled by them and could eventually become actual communists) I gave up on them. I used to think that there was a difference, albeit a small one, between "conservative" communists and MAGA-coms, but I highly doubt that.

Every single time an alleged communist uses a dogwhistle like "identity politics" or "alienating from white people" or "wokeness" or whatever the fuck, I'm immediately suspicious of them and filled with heroic homicidal rage.

You and I also have the same definition of talking shit. I'm aware that you weren't saying Sakai is above criticism, I was only explaining my example.