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Jesus Christ it's 2025, I thought we all agreed that shit was gross

Maybe we need to start bullying Chuds again. Trump winning has made them feel too safe.

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[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (8 children)

There's very little Americans in Europe to defend themselves offline,

Nyoron

Edit: Not that I'm trying to argue against the angle of chuddery being "[Septic] contamination", cause like the worst people I've ever met in Norway all got their ideas from like Joe Rogan and Ben Shapiro, and most of the neo-Nazi stickers I've had the displeasure of seeing have been in fact in English. There is certainly a lot of "home-grown" chuddery as well — that's a point we have to be very careful with — but it should not be understated how much of the chuddery we see today is a cultural import. It's like I've said, under English-language hegemony, fascism no longer needs translators.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 16 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Oh yeah, good point. You could do a whole college course on all the bad things France did without neither America nor Britain's "help". Japan and Saudi Arabia too if you want to cut out the west entirely.

But the reason I frame it as this is to play into people's ego. "We are doing this wrong thing to minorities" makes them defensive but "Americans are influencing us to be dumb and cringe like them. We're [X]! We're better than this!" is an easier sell.

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 8 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Is an easier sell necessarily a good thing, though? If you're only immunizing people against the form but not the content, you know...

[–] picklemeister@hexbear.net 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

this is where I land because hey, if it works then it works, but i do think there's a fine line between something being 'imported' and something from abroad speaking to what was already there. like, us american culture wars aren't transported to and imposed upon europe, they're just bombastically repackaged versions of things that already existed throughout "the west" ( to include Japan) which are eagerly adopted by sympathetic ears. an easy example from br*tish culture would be the institutional transphobia there which has its own roots in cultural mores and academic terfery and while it interplays and accepts influence from outside, the outside is speaking to what was already inside. the attitude and tone are deeply influenced by what's happening in the us (because it's essentially the front lines of these culture wars) but the content isn't new to europeans in any but the most superficial lenses.

basically i would never say it's a bad idea to blame america because everyone should, but being mindful that what america has done has been enthusiastically aided and abetted by the west for their own benefit and only after effectively handing off the mask of chief exploiter from themselves to the us so that they could continue to benefit under better branding. that these ideas and concepts have always had eager adherents throughout the west and the combative nature of the amerikkkan version is appealing because of these underpinnings.

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 6 points 5 days ago

Very well said.

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