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They ain't getting me (lemmy.world)

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are they? What are they saying regarding Iran?

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They can't have nukes, they're close to having nukes, general nuke hysteria, "we couldn't make a deal", going over the history of Iran and Israel (obviously not mentioning how Israel blew up their negotiator just now or Iran's attempts to deescalate and normalize global relations for years now), reminding everyone Iran sponsors terrorist groups, etc etc

I mean there's congress members calling for us to launch an attack on them explicitly, some wanted us to launch the first strike on the enrichment facilities while we were still trying to make a deal

We're in the "feel out the room" stage, they've had a carrier group in the area since like January. The next stage is announcing they've already attacked

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I agree they’re putting out feelers but I don’t think they’ll get traction. I didn’t find anyone calling for direct US intervention, mainly just indirect support for Israel. Who was saying that?

I also found some leaders explicitly saying the US should not get involved. I guess it feels a lot different from the post-9/11 years when it felt like only political radicals were opposed to war, and basically every mainstream voice was cheering it on. So that’s why I’m a bit more optimistic.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 points 5 hours ago

Well, just to follow up...

US President Donald Trump said in a Sunday interview wih ABC News that the United States might get involved in the Iran-Israel conflict and expressed openness to having Russian President Vladimir Putin act as a mediator.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 points 1 day ago

I mean, here's the start of a NYT article

Israel’s overnight missile strike against Iran divided Congress, drawing praise and strong support from members of both parties, but some lawmakers, most of them Democrats, expressed concern about regional instability and the risk the United States might be drawn directly into the conflict.

Many members of Congress were quick to cheer Israel’s actions and framed them as a justified response to Tehran’s refusal to abandon its ambition to obtain nuclear weapons. Others, including several leading Democrats, urged restraint, warning about the potential for escalation.

And later on

“There is no circumstance where Iran can be permitted to become a nuclear power,” Mr. Jeffries said in a statement, adding an urgent call for international leaders to “find a rigorous diplomatic path forward and avoid any situation where U.S. troops are put in harm’s way.”

Search is basically unusable at this point, but here's fetterman calling for strikes a couple months back, he's been consistently one of the loudest

My point is, no one is explicitly saying we should go to war with Iran... But there's a lot of talk of strikes. No one is saying we should give Israel troops... Just "everything they need, intelligence, arms, everything"

What I'm hearing is a whole lot of not ruling out troops on the ground. From both parties, with not nearly enough resistance

I do hope you're right, but I'm getting very concerned. Not so much on the draft (I think we're a good ways off from there) but from us going to war, and if that goes well doing it again.

If it happens and the resistance isn't strong enough... Well, authoritarians often use war to stay in power