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Lots of protests, lots of people willing to go out and disrupt cities and force the state to listen. Great! I know Americans suffer under a fascist police state, commit genocides, underfund public services, ooh - they have a shitty bourgeois democratic system, maybe they're protesting to fix that, or maybe they're demanding free healthcare, that's long overdue. No, I know, it'll be about the insane amount of school shootings, or serious police violence. I know the LA riots started against ICE, that's cool, so maybe they're protesting for actually fair justice! That'd be a step forward.

Whatever they're protesting, they seem to be in huge numbers, so they'll probably make an actual effort to disrupt things. Occupy buildings. You know, some sort of direct action, they can't all stand around pointlessly. Anyway, enough anticipation let's go look and find out

Oh, the protests are just "Trump bad" in another form. And they're decrying all forms of violence. And the police are literally collaborating with some. Oh.

Americans really took all these years of mistreatment, fascism, genocide with their tax dollars, deliberately being made poorer year after year, violent suppression, being allowed to die in droves, and the mass culmination of that is.. "trump bad, also be polite while saying it"??? And then the protests are used as an excuse to tighten the fascism.

I can't wrap my head around it. Millions(?) of people coming out to protest, and the overwhelming demand is 'replace orange man with another genocidal fascist pls'. ie. basically for nothing to change whatsoever.

At least leftists try to get the fucking goods. Lib organising is the worst.

EDIT: I'mma just be clear - protesting ICE is extremely cool and not the part I'm complaining about.

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[–] sammer510@hexbear.net 35 points 1 day ago (3 children)

DTLA yesterday was nut to butt, shoulder to shoulder, LIBS. Libs dressed like founding fathers, libs leaving water bottles and flowers at the feet of the National Guards, libs with chihuahuas in strollers. Libs libs libs everywhere. No material analysis beyond "Trump bad". Thousands and thousands of people and basically none of them will ever be willing to do anything more radical than dress up and hold signs. Depressing

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Edit: fuck I wrote were on fire and not were not on fire

I went out to a protest yesterday and saw so many American flags that weren't on fire. I wish I had brought lighter fluid.

I did browbeat a bunch of white boomer libs about how MLKs nonviolence got him killed and only worked because the BPP scared white people.

I did meet some cool younger comrades though and was passing out links to the Chunka Luta online library to everyone I talked to.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Gave me psychic damage

[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

2 days ago they were on their couches. Yesterday they got out. Call it baby steps, or too late, or whatever, but you can push them further now that they're actually starting to try something even if you view it as ineffective.

[–] Demifriend@hexbear.net 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I’ve been hearing this for the last decade at least, I don’t believe it any more. These people aren’t budding revolutionaries. They show up in droves to choke the life out of any radical movement and water down its demands until it can be safely ignored.

[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Seems like you had an opportunity to talk to the community that arose around you. My mutual aid group leaned into that and ended up raising hundreds of dollars and filled 5 vans with donations.

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago

The org I went with for several hundred new sign ups yesterday, PSL had a table set up too, had a good chat with them.

It's true that it's 90% liberals who think their sign-making contest is peak activism. It's about hitting the 10% who literally don't know how to do any better. It's very convenient to have that 10% all in one place.

[–] Nacarbac@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

Yeah, they got out and did an imitation protest. All spectacle and no substance. That doesn't bring people closer to doing real things, it's reinforcing the learned skill of denying that real things exist.