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[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It doesn't matter if he personally loved every single Ukrainian that died, the fact is that even if you believe everything that was done to mitigate it was a best effort, and that everything that led to the union at large being essentially helpless to feed its people was an accident, it still paints the picture of a big talker that managed a country into the ground.

At best, in the most forgiving light, Stalin was an incompetent head of state, regardless of how smart he was, and was responsible for a lot of people who died reaching out their hands begging for help while he pulled out his pockets and shrugged. And that would have been the end of it, but no, he goes and waxes poetically about how starving people don't have freedom while the graves are still fresh.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Uh huh so by your logic then every world leader that exists, has existed, and will exist is a genocidal monster on the same level of Stalin because there's always some form of poverty in the world.

At least you're consistent with your dumb take.

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago

it still paints the picture of a big talker that managed a country into the ground.

I suppose if you squint at it and ignore all the other stuff sure? But the problems with famine relief were mainly local and partially caused by kulak sabotage (and they bragged about how effective that sabotage was, you can look it up), when the central committee understood the extent of the problem measures were quickly taken.

If we look at other facts though, like how successful collective farming was at breaking the cycle of famine and how rapidly the Soviets were able to industrialize, quick enough to defeat nazi-ism lose 1/6 of their population in the fight and still make it to space before anyone else, it paints a much better picture of the competence of soviet democratic economic management.

[–] RuthlessCriticism@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago (1 children)

managed a country into the ground

From 1928 to 1939 (the period of full planning pre-war) industrial output increased 350%.

[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago

Cite sources showing people starved or you will be banned