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I mean hamas is barbaric but I don't understand what do these Israelis expect? You can't imprison/displace millions of people without expecting any backlash? I'm I crazy to think like this?
Not crazy, but you seem to be applying empathy selectively. The victims deserve being remembered and respected (I’m not specifying a side on purpose). Your comment, though factually correct, lacks basic human decency. You’re basically reacting with a “told you so” to the terrible description of a massacre of young people trying to feel alive.
I think what's worse is that that was a peace festival as well if I'm not mistaken. it's a terrible situation for the people caught in between.
Not directly a peace festival per se, but knowing the crowd at these psy-trance festivals and parties (I used to go to a lot of them), most of them were peace loving misfits forgetting the hardships of life with music and ugh… stuff that makes you happy. I can’t think too long about these poor kids experiencing hell just before they died. There’s no excuse for this, no matter the context
A peace festival held in outskirts of a concentration camp, where people are getting massacred daily. Where children get separated from their parents or families daily, if not murdered themselves or burned alive or raped. Where people are given just enough electricity, drinking water and food to experience slow death and suffer.
Literally you have the entire world open, and if all the places to party and rave you choose that? It's pretty ironic to call it a peace festival.
If you’re a regular kid and just happen to be born in Israel, is it reasonable to expect to be massacred because of something that some people in your country do and/or support?
your thinking is flawed; don't blame the innocent for the motivation of criminals
the innocence in question https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/4/if-i-dont-steal-your-home-someone-else-will-jewish-settler-says
Keep on building that strawman; it is a mighty one.
Nah, the people who've given up what it is to be human are the ones who run a concentration camp in Gaza and have been committing a genocide against Palestinians. Save your crocodile tears.
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I'm not blaming the people at the rave but the policy of Israel.
Hamas is a terrorist organisation and awful, but they wouldn't have the numbers or the motivation without Israel's actions.
They're both bad, what just happened is unforgivable, but we can't just start turning a blind eye to Israel - they aren't the good guys. They're talking about cutting off water supply for millions of people in a desert as retaliation. That's really scary escalation.
They're petty thugs using horrific tragedy to justify perpetrating their own tragedies.
I don't blame hamas at all though?
I think both sets of civilians have the right to expect a life free of military oppression and terror, largely uninvolved with the actions of those in charge.
it's deeply infuriating and heartbreaking each time I see stories about a given military organisation taking it out on people just living their lives, from Ukraine to Russia to China to Palestine to Israel and so on: innocent civilians dying (or worse) because of the decisions of military forces & their leash holders.
A constant problem is either an apathetic or even active citizenry supporting those perpetuating the butchery. They either don't see it as their problem or see a schadenfreude like glee in seeing those they deem "subhuman" or unworthy of respect being treated like scum.
Terrorist attacks won't fix that... but I can see how the downtrodden might see it as just desserts for people who help keep them oppressed.
Wherever you are in the world, this is almost certainly applicable to you too, it's called propaganda, and we're all subject to it to one degree or another, as well as to education that deliberately doesn't give us the tools to think critically about such things, never mind nationalist indoctrination that comes from only teaching a washed version of history, rather than an honest look at it.
This isn't to justify or excuse the actions of any state or to imply there is a power balance, because there isn't, but it is one of the many ways all states control and manipulate enough of their population to remain in control despite clearly having no value for the lives of their people, only for their own power.
That’s not how downtrodden works.
What about mercs getting paid in drugs and rape?
If the people hamas brutalized at this festival were politicians of the Israeli state, or even members of their military or police force, then you may have some kind of point. But these were just innocent people, a good chunk of whom weren't even from Israel. Was the Israeli state itself aware that there would be further violence caused by their continued oppression of Palestinians? Definitely, and they aren't the ones who will suffer that violence.
Innocent people who thought it was totally okay to go party and rave on the outskirts of the biggest open air prison on earth, where people are getting massacred daily. Where children get separated from their parents or families daily, if not murdered themselves or burned alive or raped. Where people are given just enough electricity, drinking water and food to experience slow death and suffer.
Literally you have the entire world open, and if all the places to party and rave you choose that? I do not celebrate death, but if anyone to blame, it is themselves.
Hamas has treated their hostages far better than Israel has treated theirs, even though Israel is a recognized state that answers to the international community, and Hamas is a mere militia.
You won't see me defending Israel. Ive spent a good chunk of my day condemning them. But those Hamas fighters didn't have to mass murder people at a dance party. What they were doing may have been insensitive given the proximity to Gaza, but they are not responsible for the apartheid state of Israel or the disgusting actions of the IDF or Israeli police force. Their actions would be somewhat understandable if they had only taken hostages, which they also did do, but the indiscriminate murder of innocent people is exactly what we're condemning Israel for. They didn't have to murder them. And its unclear what claims are true yet, but if the rest of them are true then they have committed some of the most vile disgusting acts human beings can inflict upon one another. Not that the response by Israel is justified even if they did do those things, but those actions if they are true are unjustifiable and inexcusable in every sense of the word. Rapists are evil, and their actions should see universal condemnation.
Sounds like "you deserved to get raped for wearing bikini" or something
I'd agree with you if the attack was on the government or military facility, but this is a goddamn music festival!
A music festival held in outskirts of the biggest open air prison on earth, where people are getting massacred daily. Where children get separated from their parents or families daily, if not murdered themselves or burned alive or raped. Where people are given just enough electricity, drinking water and food to experience slow death and suffer.
Literally you have the entire world open, and if all the places to party and rave you choose that? I do not celebrate death, but if anyone to blame, it is themselves.