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Those are definitionally 'liberal' policies because they 'liberate' corporations from government oversight, rather than a technocratic policy that would place their oversight under government bureaucracy, or a socialized policy that would place their jurisdiction under an element of popular consent.

Even more so, they are historically liberal policies because liberalism is historically and definitionally about privatizing the rights of aristocrats to be bought and sold on the market, rather than outright socializing and creating universal access to them. While some avenues of policy have been socialized, (usually after years and years of legal battles to just make things run smooth) most things in the U.S. are run liberally, by liberals, usually at this point in time either neo-liberals or conservative liberals. Policies like Citizens United are explicitly conservative neo-liberal policies because they increase the freedoms of those with the most access to the market.

Just because you are ignorant of politics and history doesn't mean that we are.

Next you’ll say Liberal presidents have historically been worse for the economy!

Worse than who? Every president was liberal

You’ve clearly spent far too long just telling yourself all the bad things are cuz of liberals rofl. Next you’ll be saying it was liberals behind the citizens united ruling and liberals cutting taxes for corporations, and defunding the EPA, and trying to ban contraception, and make voting harder for citizens, and gerrymandering to disenfranchise black voters.

all of those folks are ideological capitalists, and that makes them liberals. as opposed to monarchists or communists.

If you think a republican president/cabinet wouldn’t be saying and doing all the same shit then you’re really washed.

Yes, the more extremist and even more chauvinist bloc of liberals also do it. Both ruling parties are imperialist liberals, with one being in coalition with fascists and theocrats and the other being at war with a tiny handful of right wing tepid sucdems who are trying and failing to do entryism into it.

Next you’ll be saying it was liberals behind the citizens united ruling and liberals cutting taxes for corporations and defunding the EPA.

Yes, that is correct. We live in a liberal democracy. Here's a definition of liberal to help you out:

a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.

Everybody in America except for the far left is basically a liberal.

Not population no, but every single usa politician on national level is a liberal. EPA was founded by nixon who is also a lib.

Of course they are, jesus christ.

You think internal infighting between libs who want to skate on global rent extraction and worker exploitation vs liberals who want to exploit workers and planet is some important distinguishing fight? Who increased oil production then by permitting it everywhere? Was it supreme court maybe? Obama was fairly proud of that achievement as i recall.

From 70s onwards usa economy is static piece of shit, here, show me on this graph where liberals are not in power:

Or i should refer to stock market, the true economy, not this useless household income figure right?

You may say republicans slash taxes and doing starving the beast, but somehow dems are never resurrecting those taxes. There is some sort of mechanism as i recall, which allows the gear to go on way, but stops the other way, if only there was a name to that effect.

You've the writing style of a teenager. I will assume you are, so forgive my condescension:

Assume ignorance and then ask for elucidation rather than take positions you are unaware of.

That said, liberalism is the dominant and hegemonic ideology of the capitalist world order. A conservative and liberal both support property rights and nominal support - on a spectrum - for equality and liberty. (e.g: The conservative party in AUSTRALIA is literally called the Liberal party)

Therefore, liberals as a term by socialists encompass left-liberals and right-liberals, dems v gop, labour v Tories, etc. All on the same spectrum of Liberalism and capitalism.

leftists, and most other people on earth, don't use the word "liberal" the same way Americans do.

As for "vital toehold for our interests in the region," could you expand on this? What do you mean? And how do you feel about it?

Ummmmmmm, acksuallllllyyyyy

Yeah, its a common point of confusion that I honestly do wish we were a bit better at communicating. But on the other hand, its not really our fault that the American political language messed up the definition of the word. Like, in Australia the "Liberal Party" IS the more conservative party, essentially the Republican equivalent.