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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.
In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.
And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
Calling someone a monster definitely dehumanizes them. Calling someone a monster for impersonal reasons simply because of their membership in a particular group, even moreso.
So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.
I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
He said he wants to accumulate wealth for retirement.
Somehow you heard "and fuck the minorities, too" despite not having said that or even remotely implied that. If he's insulted, it's because you're putting words in their mouth.
He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.
So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
This is what you said. In the eyes of progressives, that is how they see conservatives. In no way, shape, or form does his response to that statement have anything to do with the minoroties, but in the agreement that progressives see conservatives that way.
No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."
He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.
He's been quite clear about it.
Literally how?
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
I mean, that would be being honest about it.
I've read all your replies and you conviniently dodged two people making comments regarding homosexuality. Which only made me more curious:
What's your opinion on gay people and gay marriage?
P.S. I never downvote people. Though I'm guessing by your reticence you may get downvoted for replying to me. I urge you to reply though because I'm curious and ask in good faith.
You said you were straight right winger right at the start of your comment.
So you fall into your own obnoxious category.
Profound. I wonder if anyone here has the slightest notion of what you mean
So to clarify, you don't support policies that help other people achieve those goals for themselves (assuming they're neutral for you)?