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[-] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 116 points 1 year ago

Basically every country, for the most part, wants to keep regular relations going with every other country. Doesn’t mean they agree with each other or really even engage in trade. They want to remain friendly and have open communications channels. Severing ties in this way means that there is no possible normal interactions between them again.

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 83 points 1 year ago

Good. Only ~215 countries to go. No one should have normal interactions with Israel or anyone who supports Israel.

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

Communication breakdowns and bargaining friction is how wars start.

[-] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Being able to talk to a government is a far cry from supporting it or agreeing with it. Even if you dislike Israel, you should want there to be diplomatic relations - that is how other countries can exert influence and attempt to steer them off more radical courses, after all.

Case in point - if the West had no diplomacy with them, then the opening of the border crossing into Egypt would never have happened.

[-] lntl@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago

Counter example: America doesn't negotiate with terrorists.

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What makes a 'country' is and itself very complicated. I do not believe Israel would want diplomatic relations with countries which sanction it.

ISIS was a 'state' at its peak and held control over territories but no one else had any formal diplomatic ties with them because everyone rightfully recognized them as an unlawful terrorist state. Is Israel really that different? Israel has shown blatant disregard for any peace plans whether its 1967 or Oslo. There are good reasons to not recognize Israel even though it holds territory.

Also, just because two countries have no formal diplomatic relations doesn't mean they can't have interactions. Look at USSR and Israel in this example

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Ordzhonikidze_bus_hijacking

They were extradited to the Soviet Union and sentenced to prison terms, although at that time Israel and the Soviet Union had no extradition treaty as relations were still severed at the time. All hostages were released.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

"Then–Defense Minister of Israel Yitzhak Rabin criticized Soviet authorities for providing the hijackers with an aircraft and flying them to Israel in exchange for the release of the hostages."

Christ how evil can Israel get? "how dare you save an airplane full of children"

[-] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I think the thing to recall in your example is that any treaties signed would formalize this process. In this case, they went through and made a request as a one-time thing that may never be repeated.

[-] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 4 points 1 year ago

I agree. Having no diplomatic communications at all is a bad idea especially during times of crisis. Regardless of your feelings of the behaviour of a state, the phone line should always exist for governments to speak to each other. Whether we’re talking about Israel or Iran or Russia or North Korea or whatever. When your own citizens need help, or a crisis is ongoing, or a natural disaster occurs, or whatever, you want someone on the other end to pick up the phone.

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