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Is this a Hercules/Heracles joke?
I believe so, but in addition it is also a "the original meaning of 'barbarian' is non-Greek person" joke.
For the people who don’t get it: To the Greeks (who primarily spoke Greek and Latin,) Germanic and proto European languages (like old English) sounded funny. The Greeks joked that it sounded like “barbar barbar” which is basically the Greek version of “blah blah blah blah”. So the people who spoke those foreign languages got referred to as barbarians.
It was basically used as a pejorative. It was a way for Greeks to discriminate against non-Greeks.
blahbarians
Babblearians.
What’s proto European?
It’s technically Proto-Indo-European. PIE is the base language that later developed into most of the European languages. It’s a simple language that evolved into the various European languages as people spread out and groups became more isolated. Basically, as they became more isolated they formed their own unique dialects, which then became distinct languages.
PIE is believed to be the root language for Spanish, English, French, German, Italian, Hindi, Urdu, and a handful of others.
Your examples are a bit odd given the context. Spanish, French, and Italian developed from Latin (which you stated the Greeks spoke). English, German, and Scandinavian languages developed from Proto-Germanic. I'm assuming you didn't mean to imply that Latin wasn't a PIE language?
Yes, except it's not as simple as you think. It is heavily inflected and has a lot of cases, 8, I think.
I know this because I speak Lithuanian, which is the oldest living language and the one most similar to PIE.
Greek is also Indo-European though.
Civilisations on the European continent before Europe became a concept.
But is it a language? I only know of Proto Germanic and Proto Indo-European that would be relevant here but I’m not a linguist.
PIE was the language (or languages) the proto-indo-European peoples spoke during their processes of migration into Europe, the Middle East and South Asia (around 6-4k years ago).
So most of the languages from those regions, from Hindi, to Persian, to Greek and English are all PIE, as these are all descendants from the PIE peoples.
We can reconstruct it by analysing these modern languages, their recent ancestors etc. and compare them.
I know. However I was wondering what proto European was supposed to be.
Those would be the PIE that entered Europe, so after they split from the PIE that entered Iran and India (the Indo-Iranians).
No, it's a category, and the two languages you mentioned would, I assume, fit into that category.
That makes sense somewhat, although it would be a rather broad category.
I love daily double jokes!
I mainly took it as a joke on all the awful things that happen around Heracles. The DM is stopping the history buff from warning them.
I took it to mean the DM was going to start throwing all the Herculean labors at them, then have the characters wife accidentally poison him, so that he burns himself alive on his own pyre.
It's also a Greek tragedy so...that