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The Pentagon is moving toward letting AI weapons autonomously decide to kill humans (www.businessinsider.com)
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  • The US is among countries arguing against new laws to regulate AI-controlled killer drones.
  • The US, China, and others are developing so-called "killer robots."
  • Critics are concerned about the development of machines that can decide to take human lives.

In a speech in August, US Deputy Secretary of Defense, Kathleen Hicks, said technology like AI-controlled drone swarms would enable the US to offset China's People's Liberation Army's (PLA) numerical advantage in weapons and people.

"We'll counter the PLA's mass with mass of our own, but ours will be harder to plan for, harder to hit, harder to beat," she said, reported Reuters.

Frank Kendall, the Air Force secretary, told The Times that AI drones will need to have the capability to make lethal decisions while under human supervision.

"Individual decisions versus not doing individual decisions is the difference between winning and losing — and you're not going to lose," he said.

"I don't think people we would be up against would do that, and it would give them a huge advantage if we put that limitation on ourselves."

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[–] WayeeCool@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Frank Kendall, the Air Force secretary, told The Times that AI drones will need to have the capability to make lethal decisions while under human supervision.

"Individual decisions versus not doing individual decisions is the difference between winning and losing — and you're not going to lose," he said.

The fkd up part is I understand exactly where Pentagon planners and the engineers at various contractors are coming from. Remember when the world discovered the US had unmanned mini stealth bombers thanks to the Iranian military jamming the uplink of one and forcing it down?

Iran RQ-179 Incident

To be clear, the White House and Pentagon are lying in these public statements about the reason. It isn't due to China outnumbering the US, which is why their logic of we can out manufacture China on Terminators makes zero sense. Before I go on, let me state that I whole heartedly believe this is going to make the world a worse place and I wish it wasn't happening.

The US is lying about the why, they have to lie because they can't publicly announce recently identifying a massive flaw in current US doctrine surrounding unmanned combat platforms. The motivation for this is from what the Pentagon has witnessed in Ukraine, specifically the interactions between unmanned platforms and the type of electronic warfare a US peer-rival can bring to the table. Currently when an unmanned platform gets jammed and put into unscheduled communication blackout, it fail-safes like puppet with the strings cut by holding position then returning to base when fuel gets low. What the US has realized is if they ever end up in a shooting war with a peer-rival, unmanned combat platforms will need to fail-deadily like a creature of war that had its leash unexpectedly cut.

This change in failure mode is going to be needed for the Loyal Wingman unmanned fighters currently being built to team like a hunting dog with US manned fighters. In a conflict with Russia or China, there will be heavy electronic warfare and unmanned combat platforms will need to enter a fail-deadly mode whenever they lose uplink while actively engaged in combat.

[–] NPa@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

so a drone takes off from some base somewhere, loses wifi for a second, then starts dropping ordinance on whoever is closest? sounds good, no issue here, might as well equip a few with nukes, it'll be fine 👍 👍 👍

[–] WayeeCool@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

sounds good, no issue here, might as well equip a few with nukes, it'll be fine

I know you are joking... but this was what Northrop Grumman originally proposed for the B21 Raider. Unmanned nuclear armed long-range stealth bomber. Luckily someone in the US Air Force was able to restore sanity before the B21 Raider program was finalized. Instead we are going to get so-called Loyal Wingmen like the MQ-28 Ghost Bat and XQ-58 Valkyrie, fully automated multirole strike fighters with the flight characteristics and armament of an F16.

so a drone takes off from some base somewhere, loses wifi for a second, then starts dropping ordinance on whoever is closest?

Not far off tbh, which is why I don't like that this is where the US is headed. Won't be randomly firing and dropping muntions but will be doing so with the decision making accuracy of "artificial intelligence". So, something like 96% accuracy on differentiating a civilian airliner from a hostile enemy jet or an elementary school from a military base. When cut off from the remote human operators, the mission will go on.

Militaries have a thing for building fail-deadly into their doctrines.