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[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 121 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

Car brains are out in force for this thread, lol.

Apparently, if you can't transit products by car or truck, directly to the front-door of every business, the city will collapse.

[–] Naich@kbin.social 73 points 11 months ago (17 children)

That there are cities that have actually done this doesn't seem to stop them insisting it's impossible.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Something I think is sort of ironic is that in my neighborhood most of the last mile delivery happens on bike. This isn't because of a lack of automobile infrastructure but because there are too many automobiles. Nowhere to park or even idle the van for a short time.

I do also suspect it's more convenient for the delivery person to hop off a bike at each stop than it would be to park a car and get out etc.

If I were a city planner I'd integrate that system into my strategy. Ripping out every road is of course hyperbole and clickbait, but ripping out every other road seems like a no brainer. But I seriously doubt converting 3/4 or more of the roads for autos into pedestrian/bike/tram/greenspace would shake things up too bad. Just make sure to keep main arteries open for automobiles and ensure there's centralized parking garages (street parking is a blight) within a decent walking distance and I think people who need to have a car in the city will get used to it fast.

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hey so I come from a european city from 778, with most of the streets having been the same for over 500 years now.

Heineken truck drivers manage to supply bars and restaurants throughout the city with little to no problems and most of that is pedestrian zoning with exceptions for deliveries and it works quite well.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

This is an excellent point too - removing streets for general use doesn't necessarily also exclude commercial delivery use and so forth

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[–] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Fuck_cars on Lemmy is great, I feel like I'm really fighting for the future every time I come here.

On Reddit it was just people trying to out meme each other

[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago

Fuck_cars on Lemmy is great, I feel like I'm really fighting for the future every time I come here.

Lol

[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 12 points 11 months ago

These people also forget that "delivery trucks allowed" is common. Cutting out 95% of cars and leaving delivery vehicles is fine.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I worry more about emergency services access...

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Emergency services have a lot of problems delivering care in current city traffic.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Sure, but if they don't have any roads to travel on what then?

But I've seen another comment mentioning the distinction between roads and streets so I guess that might explain why I can't imagine how that would be realistic.

[–] Magiccupcake@startrek.website 3 points 11 months ago

In the Netherlands they use bike lanes.

A two way bike lane is wide enough for emergency vehicles like an ambulance, and bikers get out of the way.