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if youve never experienced homophobia then you have not shared the experience that, as i said, every single gay and bi person ive ever met has experienced. i dont think its reductive to say that that makes it fundamentally different from a relatable portrayal of a gay relationship
I wont say that ive never experiances bigotry but i will say that queerness has been much more positive and experiance for me than a negative one. And that im exhausted of queer media (not games, tbf) that focuses on what feels like suffering porn and prefer lighthearted stuff.
Your preferences arent wrong though. But for me, a queer charachter (and their romances) only feeling queer if they experiance bigotry is very grim. Queerness doesnt have to be suffering. In fact, we are fighting for a world where it isnt.
Guess im just escapism pilled though.
at no point did i say that im looking for "suffering porn" or media that focuses on suffering or even CONTAINS suffering at all. i just cant relate to a relationship of two or more "gay" characters who have NEVER encountered the concept of homophobia in their lives. that is an inextricable part of the experience of being gay on the planet on which i live.
Eh ok fair. Sorry for reading more into your words than you intended
I still think i dont need a charachter to experiance or talk about experiancing homophobia for them to feel validly queer though.
Ok, youre back to linking queerness to adversity as some sort of essentialist thing again. This denies that we have a future free of queerphobia that fiction can explore. (Its also, as someone privately pointed out to me, Eurocentric).
If you simply cant relate to a queer charachter who hasnt experiances bigotry, then fine I guess. Thats just taste.
But treating it as a requirement (and scare quoting gay when the gay person doesnt experiance homophobia) it does kind of take away the positive parts of being queer, like queer culture and, importantly to the topic of this thread, love.
Its also worth noting i think that that rhetoric echoes a lot of exclustionist arguments about, for example, ace people. Which i find troubling.
I didn't "scare quote gay" I literally quoted a phrase you said and put it in quotation marks. Why are you being so disingenuous?
how could (good) star trek possibly have queer federation characters then? the optimistic future earth would not have that bigotry except as a history that most people won't engage with.
I find it very difficult to believe there is anyone in the Federation who has never heard of the concept of homophobia.
in a history book, sure. certainly not in the personal experience way you would find relatable.