It is in the interest of the oligarchy to have apathetic voters.

You respond to this person by pointing out that lesser of two evilism creates a scenario where the Democrats constantly abandon their constituents and their political bases which generates apathetic voters on a far bigger scale. we don't have a moral imperative, the party has the moral imperative to stop doing this to win us back.

then you change the conversation about how electoral politics are most changeable on a local and state level bc let's be real, whether or not Biden is worse than Trump doesn't matter because an absolute ghoul will be in charge either way.