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How do y'all feel about D-Day?
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Way too late. Stalin had asked Churchill to restart the second front in 1942. Several eastern front battles and 25 million soviet deaths later, the USSR was finally pushing the nazis back. Thats when D-day happened. A cynical take might be that Britain, France and US invaded at that time not for military strategy against the nazis or the goodness of their hearts. But instead to prevent the soviet union (and thus communism) from freeing western europe and winning the ideological victory.
How the fuck do you open a second front in 1942 when Britain barely could keep the fight up in the Mediterranean and North Africa?
In 1942, when the Axis were at their peak... of all years!
Churchill was dragging his feet in the mud. He didn't like the soviets and he made that very clear. The allied powers also had the cairo and tehran conferences in late 1943 (well after Stalingrad) where Stalin was begging for the western front to open. Then it took another 7 months to actually do D-Day.
But this doesn't answer the question, how would they even try to open up a front in 1942 after or at the time of the disastrous Dieppe Raid?
The western allies were nowhere near ready to take on the Germans at France, the landing alone was a massive logistical nightmare and then you have to take on the Wehrmacht, which again, was at it's peak on performance. Stalin pressured Churchill on the idea of opening up a second front but the task was impossible by 1942, either it was just a political-ish move or Stalin was dead serious on that idea (which is a gross misinterpretation of the strategic/operational situation in Western Europe by that time).
Even when careful preparation, years of technological advances, theorical advances and training, the landings in June of 1944 were at the mercy of things like weather, unexpected events and the German resistence, an insanely risky endeavour that could have gone wrong even though the Western Allies had a numerical, intelligence and material advantage over the Wehrmacht. The correct time was 1944, any sooner and it would have gone to shit.
Look i dont know the month to month military capabilities of the western front. But what i do know is that the west was incentivized to delay invasion for as long as possible. Yes, part of that was military build-up, but part of that was also just letting the USSR and Nazi Germany tire each other out. And after the war, instead of recognizing the wins, losses and efforts the soviets made during the war, the US almost immediately jumped into cold war posturing.
Yeah it is unfounded to say '42 would have been possible and didn't occur do to sabotage by the western allies. The Brits did seriously hold off on opening a second front to be sure, but that went for Operation Torch as well. The US had hesitations and wanted its imperial vengeance war in the Pacific, but people like Eisenhower pushed hard for supporting the USSR. Thing is D-Day was not something you could just do, even with months of build up. They had to do Operation Torch and clear out Vichy forces and Germans in North Africa in a manner that was utterly untested and experimental.
Then they needed to do Operation Husky and invade Sicily which was another immense task and involved the shifting of war production all towards LSTs for invasions, as well as being a real joint operation between the US and UK which got very messy. Nothing to do with the Soviets with why Husky was harsh to plan, it was plain old British stubbornness and an open attitude of honor and ego mattering more than anything. It also involved a shift in planning between the army and navy which led to some fights between commanders and the captains of ships who would be responsible for their landings.
They D-Day gets postponed due to weather and Churchill's incompetent dick-measuring at Anzio and waste of LSTs at a time when Eisenhower was literally trading units with the Pacific in exchange for a handful of them. The logistics of all of this, the complicated relations and red tape, it cannot be understated.
One of the best histories I have ever read and probably the most readable history book is Craig L Symonds' "world war 2 at sea: a global history" I HIGHLY recommend people buy it asap. Doesn't matter if you like naval stuff or anything, do yourself a favor and check it out
Good take :chad-stalin: