this post was submitted on 17 Sep 2021
0 points (NaN% liked)
memes
22780 readers
433 users here now
dank memes
Rules:
-
All posts must be memes and follow a general meme setup.
-
No unedited webcomics.
-
Someone saying something funny or cringe on twitter/tumblr/reddit/etc. is not a meme. Post that stuff in /c/slop
-
Va*sh posting is haram and will be removed.
-
Follow the code of conduct.
-
Tag OC at the end of your title and we'll probably pin it for a while if we see it.
-
Recent reposts might be removed.
-
No anti-natalism memes. See: Eco-fascism Primer
founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
From the article
It doesn't look good. But this is the kinda surface-level reporting that doesn't really get at the heart of the issue. Are they censoring gay scenes, or pedophilic or abusive power-relationship dynamics amongst gay individuals. Would a Call By Your Name (controversial, large age differential, seen somewhat predatory even by the queer individuals I know) get censored. What about Portrait of a Lady on Fire, slow-burn, yearning, and romance amongst equals, Would that also be censored?
I know Archive of Our Own has a lot of queer content that is decidedly wholesome and beneficial for teens and young adults wanting to find representation and grow into their identity; but the problem is in their attitude "strident about not censoring content" which also allows for reactionary, disgusting, vile, and problematic content to be distributed amongst the community.
From a The Verge article, after doing some cursory googling:
I don't think free speech should cover things like rape, statutory rape, and pedophilia. I don't think certain topics are or should be allowed to exist within the protection of free speech or corporate endorsement (your refusal to ban or delete bad topics is in itself a tacit endorsement).
This website has a deliberately hostile approach to "free speech". It has made us grow pretty slowly, and even turned some people off, but it's also one of the least reactionary places I have seen on the fucking web.
I think Vox is using the problems these laws are causing to LGBTQ minorities to ignore the larger problems posed by immoral and problematic content that Chinese censors might be actively seeking to prevent from entering the web.
Facebook human moderators get PTSD and suicidal ideations from the amount of horrific content that gets uploaded to the site. Americans also enjoy 3.2 million man-hours of active moderation to prevent and reduce the chances you run into some really horrific shit using one of their sites. Meanwhile, in the Global South, Fb and Instagram are being used to traffic and rape women. They are used to recruit young boys and teenagers into cartel hitmen training camps. Instagram has been found to give young girls Eating Disorders and suicidal ideations as well (per the latest WSJ article about FB inside data).
Maybe the idea of an uncensored internet is not a wholly "GOOD" concept. And it should be treated more critically than what bourgeois media, tells you to think it as.
Completely reasonable
... Except that these fanfictions are just that, fiction
So yeah, my default is "ostracize anyone who makes that shit" because otaku shit is what comes to mind... but it's not as if everyone making stuff with that content is doing it out of enjoyment or endorsement
If someone wanted to write a story about comfort women, should it be banned for realistically and unflinchingly depicting the rape of minors by Japanese soldiers? (Damn, Shinzo Abe would love that)
If a woman is writing a "rape fantasy" or "ravishment fantasy" or whatever word they're using, should that be banned for romanticizing sexual assault?
If a man is writing a memoir about a relationship he had with a 40 year old at age 20, should we ban that for glorifying age gaps?
What if someone is writing a story about rape in order to process their own sexual trauma at the hands of an adult they once trusted?
Point here is that it's easy to look at the worst of the worst and think "ban this sick filth" when the reality of it is that mainstream society is pushing this shit (child beauty pageants, Roy Moore apologism, targeted hypersexualization of teenage celebrities, ordinary romance novels, etc.), and sending moderators to comb through millions of works to figure out who's getting off on it and who isn't is impossible, and if anything, will make people just stop putting warnings on their fanfics
At the end of the day, it's easy to get mad about made up stuff on the Internet because it's easy, but there's brutality right in front of your face in the real world that's better of being faced down instead