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fuck every "leftist" who does not acknowledge usa is not lesser evil or any other bullshit

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[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago

Lol. You literally think that not starting any wars in general for more than 40 years is just as bad as constantly invading the rest of the world and killing and torturing non-white people - including LGBT people.

No? I just said that China's trans policy is awful and backwards and my solidarity goes to those who suffer from it in China and that the US is better in that respect. US imperialism is awful and the past half-century of exploitation and subjugation by the US is also terrible. One does not exclude the other.

Hell, you have come out and said that you are more aligned with the latter than with the former

I said that because trans rights are better in the US than China. On that front, I am indeed more aligned with the US than China, but it doesn't mean I don't also hate the US.

it's safe to say that you are an imperialism supporter. Your 'anarchist perspective' is just 'it's good that my state kills millions abroad for my benefit'.

Because I support trans rights?

You have already said that you are more fine with a regime

I'm fundamentally, as an anarchist - not fine with the US or China. It's in the name.

with a state that has provably made massive improvements in the lives of working-class people, has been at the forefront of switching the world's energy to green, which hasn't committed any genocides, and which hasn't started any wars in more than 40 years.

And all of these things are good. China did good! And that's not even all, their actual management of the day-to-day absolutely eviscerates the west in terms of sheer ability to get shit done, from building entire cities while the UK says it will take them 20 years to build a reservoir, building high speed rail while the UK can't get a tunnel dig approved and building and maintaining roads that make US infrastructure look like dirt trails.

See? I'm not some imperialist stooge or a jingoistic patriot and I'm happy to praise China where it's due. But that doesn't contradict in any way anything I said earlier.

[-] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago

No? I just said that China's trans policy is awful and backwards and my solidarity goes to those who suffer from it in China and that the US is better in that respect.

And I can just as easily point out that the US was much worse and more backwards not at all long ago. And the US has seemingly been experiencing much more of a backwards push than the PRC.

US imperialism is awful and the past half-century of exploitation and subjugation by the US is also terrible. One does not exclude the other

One of these things, however, is unambiguously much, much worse than the other.

On that front, I am indeed more aligned with the US than China, but it doesn't mean I don't also hate the US

Okay, can you explicitly come out and say that your positions overall are more aligned with those of the PRC than with those of the US?

Because I support trans rights?

The US kills trans people and other LGBT people in the third world. You seem to be more fine with that than with the PRC giving trans people a somewhat subpar package of rights.

I'm fundamentally, as an anarchist - not fine with the US or China. It's in the name.

So, are you more fine with the rest of the world fighting for liberation from you, even if it is done using states (I'm going to note that anarchists have not had much success fighting for anybody's liberation anywhere, to my knowledge - this is the best that people around the world have managed so far; I'm also going to note that anarchist organisation fundamentally sacrifices military capabilities, which are necessary in the world's liberation from NATO), or are you going to engage in equivocation between NATO and its victims?

If it's the former, then I take most of what I said back. If it's the latter, my points stand, as equivocation between the perpetrators of colonialism, genocides, etc. and their victims is, in effect, support for the former.

See? I'm not some imperialist stooge or a jingoistic patriot and I'm happy to praise China where it's due.

Alright, so can you come out and explicitly say that your positions are overall more aligned with the Global South than with NATO?

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