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[–] CyberMonkey404@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

he has illusions that capitalism can deliver that

Makes him more dangerous, no? Incorrect philosophical framework, leading to incorrect decisions, regardless of the nobility of intentions

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

I dont think he is dangerous, why would he be? The only danger is if he gets couped

[–] SadArtemis@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 4 months ago

I think Brazil is facing infinitely greater dangers than Lula at the moment, FWIW. He may be a lib (succdem), but he isn't a comprador, and he- and the country at large- has seen what the west has in store for their country; nothing but poverty, destruction, and the fascism necessary to maintain such inhumane conditions. They know, at least to some extent (clearly not enough), who their enemies are- they have been forced, over and over again, to understand that facing this adversary is a matter of life and death, of slavery or freedom,

And the common enemy that we all share- the global system of imperialism, the highest form of capitalism- is terrible enough, tyrannical enough, that I think a lot of common ground can be made. Not just with libs like Putin and Lula, but even with Islamists and monarchs like those in Iran and the Arab gulf states, with states veering dangerously close to (or arguably, already in parts of the country) fascism like India, even with countries that remain under the chokehold of such brutal anti-communist regimes like Indonesia...

Lula might be dangerous, yes. Ideologically, he certainly is a hurdle in his own right. But the material conditions and realities of the system we all live under force all of humanity (those with any humanity, anyways) together all the same- and having experienced what he has, and seen what his country has suffered, I think it can be said that the danger he poses, is pointed in the right direction for the moment, like with Putin and the rest of the BRICS.

I'd even take it a step further, and say that- for all of Lula's (or Putin's, or Modi's, or the Ayatollahs,' or the Sauds,' etc.) dangers, by-and-large it may come to pass that, in the world they are actively working towards- and I suspect there is at least some understanding on their part that it is what they are working towards- the worst of the dangers they pose will never come to fruition. They will definitely remain dangers on the national level, against their proletariat citizenry in the world they are building- yet they are working- alongside AES no less- to destroy imperialism on a global stage, to destroy the "world police" of capital- to create a world where nations are no longer enslaved, and can determine their own future- their own paths forward, which personally I believe will eventually lead to their own confrontation and then, eventually, socialism.

In other words, they are not recreating the wheel, the cycle of imperialism. The conditions do not exist- or at least, there is very strong reason to believe they do not exist (the broad range of nations and interests involved, and the comparative strength of AES, particularly China- as well as the example of Chinese development which has proven imperialism truly inferior)- in such a manner where they can feasibly recreate the system of imperialism under their own authority. They are creating the conditions in which their own eventual undoing may come to pass- perhaps even (if I were to be overly optimistic) peacefully- where they themselves, and their nations and peoples, will have the freedom to determine amongst themselves how to progress, and will have the means to do so with the fruits of their labor and soil rather than having it stolen from them- where they will have equality or something approaching it on an international level, and where they will have the ability to develop and prosper without having it all undermined and undone to maintain western hegemony.