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I'm having much fun on this train of thought as well. As a fan of all these movies, there's many aspects of the lore to dive into, especially once we get into crossovers.
Do we technically even have a Jason origin story? Boy Jason dies in 1957, but the bulk of the first movie takes place in 1980. If Jason was his own revenging spirit, what the heck took so long?! His mom started bumping people off almost immediately, and Jason himself doesn't come along until 23 years later, only after his mom is killed. Pam could have used that time to find the Necronomicon, at least in the crossover.
That Jason can still hear his mother speaking to him lends credence to possession. She is kinda crazy, murdering innocent kids and commiting arson and such for 2 decades and all that. That she'd possess her dead son's body to keep going isn't much of a stretch. And Jason has many supernatural powers of a Deadite while Pamela didn't have any of Jason's abilities. Something reanimated him and gave him powers at the time his mother was killed. Him being a Deadite explains it more than the movies ever really do that I remember.
I would be interested in the Necronomicon's chain of custody, since the first Evil Dead movie takes place in 1981!
The FXIII franchise always played fast & loose with how Jason keeps going, but I agree the Deadite angle really works in that regard. My argument for "what took Jason so long" is exactly the murder of his mother by a camp counsellor. He was R-ing I P at the bottom of Crystal Lake but came back for vengeance when she was killed. He even had her head enshrined in (I think?) the second film. Mama's Boy.
That messes with the Pamela possession theory a little though. Interesting if he was agreeable to her setting up shop. Or maybe by the time one possessing soul is "killed" the other is powerful enough to come back. Like a tag team rampage.
The timeline thing did trip me up trying to be as canonically accurate as possible.
The comic seems to take place in 2008, and the Necronomicon is in Jason's shack. Browsing an Evil Dead fan wiki site, there seem to be numerous origins of the Necronomicon in multiple universes, and Lovecraft, the original Necronomicon author, had implied there are numerous copies and translations of the Necronomicon, so there could very well be more than one.
The Jason/Freddy/Ash comic sounds like the Necronomicon was in their family home, so Pamela had one, prior to 1980 when she was killed, and it stayed there until 2008, so there has to be more than one in that universe of Ash had previously dealt with it in 81.
Jason could have allowed a Necronomicon owning Pamela to use him as a host as she was in need of a body in one piece, hers now being headless and all. Keeping the head around may have been important to the spiritual connection.
Reading more in the Evil Dead wiki, there doesn't seem to be a reliable way to permanently kill a Deadite, dismembering them just seems to slow them down the most, which is pretty typical for how people deal with Jason.
I don't know if I'm ready to view this as canon or anything, but I feel it works solid enough for the loose rules of a slasher franchise. It's at least a. More solid story than Jason X.