[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 63 points 13 hours ago

Even in death, Charlie managed to save the lives of those around him.

Even in death? Who tf did he save when he was alive?

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The reason that there was an alliance to be formed at all was that the communists existed as their own, separate political party.

The relationship between Mao and the nationalists, and the lessons we can take from it, are more complex than this "always capitulate to the lesser evil" nonsense. There were several times when the two sides formed a united front and several times that such agreements fell apart or were betrayed. If the lesson from Mao is simply capitulation to the lesser evil, Mao would have just joined the KMT and abandoned any sort of radical positions to that might have caused contention.

Of course, accelerationism is stupid nonsense as it always has been.

Edit to add a thought: the communists at that time had just endured the long march, and the leadership was tested and battle-hardened. When they said "revolution later" they meant "revolution later." In contrast, in Europe, there were a bunch of nominally socialist parties and when they said "revolution later," they meant, "revolution never," because they were full of opportunists. Imagine if the SDP in Germany was like, "Well, it finally happened, the conditions are right for revolution so we're doing a revolution now." No, if you want a temporary alliance with the Democrats, it needs to be actually temporary, with a clearly set objective and end conditions. Otherwise it's just liberalism with extra steps.

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 18 points 2 days ago

I never said anything about “supporting” Biden or Harris.

Telling people to vote for someone is like the dictionary definition of support. I legitimately don't understand what y'all think "support" means. Wanting to suck them off? Treating everything they say as gospel? Thinking they'll go to heaven in the afterlife?

I genuinely don't know, because in my book, supporting someone is when you provide them with, you know, support. For example, in the form of a vote or in the form of trying to convince others to vote for them.

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 32 points 3 days ago

Liberals believe that their values are objectively correct, or to be more precise, they seem to believe that they don't hold values at all, that all of their political beliefs are extremely straightforward and indisputable conclusions based solely on facts. But people do disagree with them. The only way this is even conceivable is if those people are wrong about the facts. If leftists don't want to fall in line behind the lesser evil, the only possible explanation is that they don't appreciate the threat posed by the right.

The reality is that we do appreciate that threat. We just don't fly into a panic and abandon all other priorities, because we realize that doing so means we've already lost all hope of defeating the right. People will only put up with that conservative "stay the course" platform for so long before they start looking at alternatives, especially during a broad period of decline. And "lesser evilism," as I call it, is not "objectively correct" and is in fact a specific ideology and value system - one that is a proven failure at that. They can't see those things because they simply don't want to see them.

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 31 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

"Hey queers,

If you don't like us dropping bombs on people, why don't you go stand underneath our bombs?"

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago

I wouldn't be surprised if the people who came up with it also knew it would be bad news, but also that it would be good for them individually.

Like the way those securities worked, nobody was gonna be caught out individually. The only way they go wrong is if the market takes a bad turn and then you'd have a horrible domino effect that takes it from bad to worse, but at that point your golden parachute activates and everyone gets bailouts. Kind of brilliant, in a fucked up way.

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They're just pointing out the underlying logic behind the argument, and how applying that logic to other situations produces absurd conclusions. At no point did he claim the two were equivalent. In fact the whole point of the comparison is that the settler-colonialism is indisputably bad.

Let me make a similar argument to demonstrate. When I was in school, sometimes certain teachers employed or threatened collective punishment, if one person did something wrong, and no one confessed, then the whole class would be punished. Collective punishment is pretty awful and unjustifiable as a concept, like, the exact same logic behind it has been used to justify a lot of terrible war crimes, it was even used during the Holocaust, and it is explicitly prohibited by the Geneva Convention.

Now obviously, whatever punishment my class had to deal with in school is in no way comparable to the Holocaust. I don't think it would be fair of you to get angry at me for "comparing" the two, because my point wasn't that the scope of harm was the same, only that if we can clearly recognize that collective punishment is a horrible war crime when the stakes are high, then we're left wondering why, in this other situation with lower stakes, would it suddenly become valid?

Likewise, we can see in the high-stakes context of settler-colonialism that if someone says, "Yes, it was bad to kick the Palestinians out of their homes, but now that it's done I might as well move in" that logic is obviously not valid. Why then, does the logic suddenly become valid when it's applied to the lower-stakes situation of someone saying, "Yes, it was bad to kill this animal, but since it's already dead, I might as well eat it?"

What part of that reasoning do you take issue with? What part of that "makes vegans look ridiculous" or makes you want to say something rude?

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 48 points 4 days ago

Not likely lol live-kissinger-reaction

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 24 points 4 days ago

Logic generally isn't enough to convince people to become vegan because it's contending with other mental forces much more powerful than logic. The force of habit. The unwillingness to accept you've been doing things wrong. The fear of potential conflicts, judgement, or awkwardness, of potentially becoming part of an outgroup. Just one of those is difficult to overcome, but with all of them all at once, it can become insurmountable for a lot of people.

This is what I realized like the week after going vegan - that every reason and justification that had previously held me back was just an incredibly flimsy excuse. Like, when I made the decision it felt tough with some reasonable points both ways, veganism being just a bit more compelling, enough to try it out - but once I took the plunge and the arguments no longer had those psychological forces behind them, it become abundantly clear how idiotic they were, and how foolish I had been to let them hold me back.

Meat eaters employ bad arguments because there are no good arguments, and their minds desperately want to find some argument that can hold enough water to push it aside and thing about something else as quickly as possible, to eliminate the threat the question poses to the psyche.

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 21 points 4 days ago

Communism is incapable of directing all the brightest minds towards making ads 3% more manipulative which is why its doomed to failure.

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 17 points 4 days ago

Speaker likes capitalism = China is communist

Speaker likes communism = China is capitalist

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 38 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

WHO SAID IT?

  1. I wish some things were different from how they are.

  2. Hi.

  3. The sky is blue.

  4. I love [spoiler].

  5. I'm getting kinda hungry.

Can't tell, can you? This proves every person/group is the same as every other person/group.

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In the wake of the tragic assignation of a loyal advocate for the Imperium, Carolus Kirk, the High Lords of Terra have added their voices to those condemning all forms of political violence as a vile form of heresy which must be immediately purged through cleansing fire.

Although the Inquisition has yet to release details on the assassin's motivations, it is likely that he was under the influence of heresy, manipulated by either by xenos or the forces of Chaos. Heretical rumors that the shooter believed that Carolus himself was being manipulated by such forces are completely false. Carolus, who is survived by his wife and children, never once wavered in his loyal advocacy for the values of the Imperium, which he believed in to his core: hatred and intolerance to xenos and heretics of all kinds.

In brighter news, a dozen xenos worlds have been put to the torch leaving no survivors, as the Adeptus Astartes continue their heroic mission to eradicate all those who would stand against the Imperium and the absolute dominance of humanity.

Glory to the Emperor, and death to all those who celebrate political violence!

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Many abolitionists have complained to me that, as a traveling performer, I have not spoken to my audiences on the issue of slavery. I have received many angry letters attacking me based on assumptions about what my silence means.

Allow me to make my position clear: I oppose the institution of slavery. In the words of Thomas Jefferson, I believe it is a "moral depravity." I feel that way about other things as well.

After the raid on Harper's Ferry, the mood among Southern leaders was an existential panic and unstoppable lust for revenge. It reminded me of the Alamo. There was no reasoning with those leaders, nor could action be taken by congress. It would have required replacing most of congress and overturning decades of bipartisan negotiation and compromises. Even in the best case, it would have taken years.

But even worse, the abolitionist, pro-Negro movement quickly decided that their primary goal was not merely opposition to the reprisals or specifically cruel owners, but opposition to the entire institution of slavery, that is, opposition to the entire way of life of Southern plantation owners. And here they decided to draw the line between decent people and oppressive tyrants, which had the following consequences:

It shrunk the coalition. Most southerners support slavery. Anyone who supports the solution of having slave states and free states supports slavery.

It was politically infeasible. What is the pathway that takes us from the present situation to the abolition of slavery as an institution? I do not see how it could happen without a total collapse of the union. As usual, these Jacobins have championed a doomed cause.

The abolitionists have been distributing hundreds of pamphlets about the horrid conditions of slaves. The main effect of this has been to create a population of people in a constant state of bloodboiling rage with no consequential political outlet.

I fear this may be worse than useless. Yes, there are disingenuous proponents of slavery dismissing and censoring all criticism of slavery on the pretext of "states' rights." But there's also valid fear of historical government overreach and that fear gives power to pro-slavery leaders who say that only they can protect Southern culture.

Does this mean slavery should not be criticized? Absolutely not. But it's something I do not wish to contribute to unless if not outweighed by tangible benefits.

Many abolitionists have been single-mindedly focused on slavery, and the willingness of the Republicans to compromise on the issue, and that focus has had the following effects:

Not a single slave was freed by their efforts. Not one fewer lash was delivered by the owners.

It may have slightly contributed to the election of James Buchanan, ensuring that nothing can be done to stop the expansion of slavery into new states. Buchanan also does not support giving women like me the right to vote. A perfectly enlightened being would feel no bitterness about this, but I do.

None of this is the fault of slaves, of course, who are overwhelmingly the victims here.

But if women like me are ever going to get anywhere in this country, we need a broad movement that stands up for the rights of ALL women, REGARDLESS of their views on slavery.

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(Every blank is a different nation or nationality)

In 1972, three (1) _______ radicals smuggled (2) _______-made assault rifles in violin cases into an airport in (3) _______, where the security ignored them because they were on the lookout for (4) _______ threats. The radicals opened fire and 28 people were killed in the ensuing firefight, including two attackers.

The sole surviving radical plead guilty, saying, "It was my duty as a soldier of the revolution." He was given a life sentence, but was released in a prisoner exchange after 13 years. Upon release, he became the only person to ever claim political asylum in (5) ______, which does not have an extradition treaty with his home country (where he's still wanted). He is still alive, at 77, and resides there to this day, reportedly watching cartoons like Tom and Jerry.

In 2008, (6) _______ (ethnicity) families of victims of the attack sued the government of (7) _______ for allegedly supporting the attacks and (8) _______ ordered that country to pay $378 million to the families.


Points awarded for either getting correct guesses or coming up with something that feels more like a game of Mad Libs than the correct answers do. I'll be especially impressed if anyone guesses (1) correctly.

spoiler

spoiler no peeking

  1. Japanese

  2. Czech

  3. Israel

  4. Palestinian

  5. Lebanon

  6. Puerto Rican

  7. DPRK

  8. United States

The Japanese Red Army was wild

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C5%8Dz%C5%8D_Okamoto

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2094256/%7B%7B

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“They can’t get stuck in a hurricane if they self-deport,” Bill Helmich, executive director of the Republican Party of Florida, said on X in response to concern that the facility is in an area of the state that is regularly affected by hurricanes.

barbara-pit

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I heard it has something to do with different interpretations of the DotP (Dictatorship of the Papacy) but idk if that's true.

I'm not the most well-read on theory, but I don't understand why the left is always purity testing and fighting over little differences like this.

You never see this sort of thing on the right, even when they seem to have wildly different ideologies. Look at the level of coordination between right-wing countries like China (anarcho-capitalist), DPRK (neoliberal), and Cuba (white nationalist). If the left could figure out how to get along that well, I feel like we could've already achieved MAGAcommunism by now.

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Never knew who the institute was named after

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back-to-mestalincorn-man-khrush[emoji not found]gorby-sad

Probably the least interesting and least talked about Soviet leader (not counting the ones who were only there for <2 years), I don't really know much about him myself but I was feeling randomly curious so I skimmed NATOpedia to get a rough impression.

It seems like the Brezhnev-era would be the best time to be alive in the USSR, though that has to do more with external circumstances - he didn't have to deal with a lack of industrialization or invasions either during the revolution or WWII. However, economic growth was slow, despite the government investing in basic necessities and in agricultural production. In terms of technology, during this time, the USSR made the poor decision to use IBM's designs rather than investing in domestic computer development, which may have set them back and contributed to brain drain.

In terms of foreign policy, Brezhnev deviated from Khrushchev's focus on missiles by focusing more on strengthening conventional military forces, increasing spending eightfold to 12% of GNP by the time of his death. He continued the policy of detente, and (perhaps because of the military investment) negotiated and signed the SALT treaties, reducing the past nuclear brinkmanship. At the same time, he resumed support for the Vietnamese communists who Khrushchev had abandoned due to their refusal to negotiate a partition. However, he also made the disastrous decision to invade Afghanistan. He also sent troops into Czechoslovakia to suppress what I assume was a color revolution.

Did his uninspiring leadership and failure to address economic stagnation contribute to Gorbachev's dismantling of the USSR? Or perhaps that was already set in motion from Kruschev, (or caused afterward by Gorby), and the take is that he did a decent job steering the country through a relatively peaceful era, prioritizing human needs like housing over consumer goods?

For that matter, I'm kind of puzzled as to why his policies weren't more effective, I would expect providing things like housing would stimulate the economy by providing more consumer consumption (though perhaps the problem was supply not keeping up with demand?), and the USSR still had to rely on food imports despite pretty substantial investments in agriculture. For a critical take on him, I'm not sure what he should've done differently.

However, I don't really have a dog in the fight - if there is a fight. Do people have strong opinions about Brezhnev? I'm mostly just curious to hear people's perspectives.

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He's so shitty I don't even know where to start, but so many people on there are convinced he's some kind of heroic anti-corruption reformer and taking on the CIA and shit.

I'm starting to sour on the platform over it, I was enjoying talking politics on there but now my feed is flooded with Musk worship 🤮

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