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[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 76 points 1 year ago (23 children)

Wikipedia still has up Nazi propaganda in regards to the "Holodomor" with old or cherrypicked or outright false statements from sources calling it a genocide when in fact it's widely recognized as, basically, a fuckup of Soviet policy under Stalin. Not genocide.

The "double genocide" shit is Nazi propaganda and yet Wikipedia legitimizes it. Any ignorant person who googles it after reading "derp derp Stalin killed 10 kazillion people!" Would find themselves quickly on a webpage "confirming" that false belief.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor link for anyone curious.

Wikipedia can be decent for some stuff, but while shit like this remains on the site, I dunno, it can't be trusted in many regards.

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[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 64 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

Every time I say something positive about Poland, I get hit by something awful in return wholesome

[–] MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It looks like only a portion of the article is available on Prolewiki. Is the page still being edited or is the partial transcription on purpose? Shouldn't be a problem since the source is open access, but I'm curious since it cuts off in the middle of the introduction.

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're correct, this was never finished lol. That's the problem with people starting too many projects at once and forgetting what they have going on

[–] MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gotcha. All good, I know how that is!

Just wanted to check this was the case and I wasn't missing something.

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Definitely read from the linked source in the meantime, I notified the editor who imported this to see if they're gonna finish it lol

[–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reminder Wikipedia removed the page on the Alley of Angels memorial dedicated to children killed by Ukrainian terrorists.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 1 year ago
[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Votes for "keep" far outnumber votes for "delete". The discussion is mainly about whether to keep the article as-is or to rename it to something like "Yaroslav Hunka affair", which would include a biography.

Of all the things you can criticize Wikipedia for, this honestly just isn't one of them.

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

Yeah I just looked and you're right.

But to be fair here all of what you mention is obfuscated away behind another discussion page and their own "policy" which no normal person would ever know or even care about.

They could make it far more transparent to the visitor and most of these things could be included in that header.

[–] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The talk page is wild

Special mention to someone called "Death Editor 2" explaining how a waffen SS division was not racist

[–] MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Am I reading the talk page and attributed user accounts that commented wrong? Doesn't the name of the user who left the comment follow the comment immediately?

It looks like TheFriendlyFas2 and Yfff argued that being part of the division did not imply he was a white supremacist and it was Death Editor 2 that was arguing the opposite.

[–] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Oh, you are correct, my bad; Death Editor 2 is indeed the sane one

[–] CantaloupeAss@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't really know how Wikipedia articles are written or updated, but isn't the idea that if one of us doesn't like the way an article is written, we can just... change it?

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

By and large Wikipedia is managed by autocratic administrators who simple got here in the early days. In 2019 they discovered for example that they had named a random Texas kid as admin of the Scots instance who just pretended to speak the language in the most over-the-top ironic way possible. He defaced hundreds of pages and got named as the admin when he was like 12.

90% of their editors are men and most are white, so it's like maybe 75-80% of their editors are white men yknow. There's actually very few pages on notable women because they keep being deleted and women keep being chased away from the platform. Essentially if someone doesn't like you writing on Wikipedia they'll get their admin friend to ban your IP.

If you make an edit you'll have it reverted in a few minutes by hawks who watch pages all day long and claim these pages as theirs.

The funniest example (funniest because it's so sad you just laugh) was some guy who named his account after his Belgian Army grandpa arguing that the genocide in the Belgian Congo was not a genocide. I couldn't even make this up.

We cover most of it here: https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia and even then it's far from being exhaustive.

There's a few people in this thread who edit wikipedia and managed to get some of their edits through but honestly even they explain you have to jump through hoops and understand how Wikipedia works to get anything done, like actually participate in the community before you even make any edits. The idea that wikipedia can be edited by anyone or is edited by people "like you or me" is a complete lie upheld by Jimmy Wales who wants to make it seem as though his weird Ayn Rand libertarian ideas actually work in the real world.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 1 year ago (4 children)

80% of edits are made by just 1% of users, and there's another guy called Philip Cross who edits every day from 6am to 10pm without fail, even during the weekends or national holidays like Christmas and New Year's. with over 100k edits, he mostly makes pro-war, Zionist, and climate change denial edits. It's been suggested this is a sockpuppet account managed by the MI5 or other British agency.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, no way that's a single person working 24/7.

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's very interesting how it corresponds exactly to office hours lol (with some overtime in the evening)

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[–] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago

was going to comment on you calling him a chud, but then I realized the guy literally works for the US army wiki page

[–] kig_v2@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wikipedia is notorious for cracking down on antinazism/prosocialism. For example, since the UKR war there have been many attempts to put truth in Wikipedia that is quickly labeled RUS propaganda and deleted.

[–] CantaloupeAss@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Hm, I didn't know. Who is "Wikipedia" in this case? I always thought it was just other users. Is there a set of editors or writers hired by the Wikimedia foundation itself? Or do you just mean, like, an echo chamber of Wikipedia power posters? Are there mods??? lolol

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

The vote is overwhelmingly to keep lol.

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Deletion policy? I wonder what that's all about then. Or is it just, "Our handlers consider this to be bad for the regime right now"?

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The page, as it stands, violates this policy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#People_notable_for_only_one_event

The discussion seems to be focused on rewriting the page to be about the event, rather than the person

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

there is another 'event' that happened, Poland wants him extradited.

[–] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago

This is fucking grim.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It's marked for deletion because this article was created in response to what happened in Canada. He is only notable for one event, which only just happened, and as per Wikipedia's One Event rule he is not notable enough to warrant an article about him. Or at least, that's what the process of marking it for deletion is supposed to decide on.

When an individual is significant for their role in a single event, it may be unclear whether an article should be written about the individual, the event or both. In considering whether to create separate articles, the degree of significance of the event itself and of the individual's role within it should both be considered. The general rule is to cover the event, not the person.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He is only notable for one event, which only just happened

What about the events in WW2?

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Notability is a term used in Wikipedia to refer to how often it's cited by secondary sources. Specifically: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability#General_notability_guideline

There is no notability for this guy outside one event, so the article is better focused on the event rather than the person (which is what the talk page is leaning towards)

Well it's probably rapidly getting more especially that entire fuckup is still spinning.

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[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (6 children)

So there's a separate article about the event and he should just be mentioned there? It doesn't merit two separate articles?

Cool, where's the article about the Canadian parliament honoring him?

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