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[–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 46 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (3 children)

Ok I'm going to indulge in a little bit of HP overthinking but I swear I have a point so bear with me:

It's really fucked how JKR spent a whole book (and the only decent one in the series imo) and a bit of another one laying out how harrowing and dehumanizing Azkaban is, how Hagrid only spent like 30 days in it and was traumatized by the experience, and how unless you're uniquely mentally strong you will become an empty shell of a human being with no hope of leaving. But then we're supposed to believe that getting people out of there is bad.

We are told directly by the characters, and by the narrator, that being sent to Azkaban is BAD, period. This is the whole premise of why setting Sirius up for a crime he did not commit was a horrible thing to do. But later we are also expected to believe that Sirius was the ONLY INNOCENT PERSON in wizard history to ever be wrongfully sentenced, everyone else who is or has been in Azkaban is evil, except for this one (actually very simple) conspiracy to send an innocent man to torture prison. Except they do it again, about 10 years later, to Hagrid. If Harry wasn't there to reveal that it was someone else who had opened the chamber of secrets, he would've rotted out in a cell. So the wizard legal system does jail innocent people, one of them belonging to a marginalized community.

And JKR in her infinite Blairite, neoliberal wisdom, wants the reader to think that:

  • everyone in Azkaban is guilty and the most evil wizards around. The wizard legal system doesn't make mistakes

  • Literal forced depersonalization and psychological torture are fitting punishments for anyone the legal system deems guilty.

So of course breaking people out from there a few books later is bad. It's a very clear show of neoliberal "tough on crime" brainworms, being presented uncritically to a generation of children

God, these books were even worse than I remember them being.

[–] CasualAnalogueAppreciator@hexbear.net 24 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Wasn't there almost the same type of dogshite with Dobby and the house elves?

something something the house elves LOVE being slaves and dobby is the one weird and whacky one for not wanting to be enslaved

this franchise is big headache badeline-bruh

[–] Future_Honkey@hexbear.net 19 points 14 hours ago

Ugh i was really into the books when they came out. I remember reading about the house elves and thinking how heavy-handed hermione's crusade to save them was and so was trying to skim past those parts and (perhaps cuz of that) being surprised that rowling went to a different place ("they like slavery?? Wtf?")

This was probably the first time i looked askance at rowling, started looking harder at the stuff she was pennin. Im pretty sure i noticed the house elves before the gringotts goblins

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 11 points 14 hours ago

For all his many faults, Eleizer Yudkowsky did write a pretty good Harry Potter fanfic wherein Harry decides that Azkaban and all dementors must be destroyed both permanently and immediately.

Also that house elf slavery is bad actually and that Harry immediately becomes a vegan upon realizing that snakes can talk.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 14 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

both of them belong to marginalized communities, isnt sirius a werewolf?

edit: oh wait no, that's lupin. mixing up THE ONE BOOK, oh no.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 23 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Werewolf guy is called Lupin

I can see why people enjoy the imaginative world building of J.K. Rowling ☺️

[–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 20 points 15 hours ago

His full name (may I be struck down for knowing this, I used to be a fan) is Remus Lupin, which is even more creative

[–] huf@hexbear.net 19 points 16 hours ago

yeah, but at least it's not cho chang. anyway, lupin actually mainly reminds me of the dennis moore scene from monty python's flying circus.

[–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 11 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Sirius chose to be able to turn into a dog, even though he did it illegally. Lupin was the one who was a werewolf.

Edit: just saw your edit. You should feel happy that you've managed to forget some of the stuff from that awful franchise.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 12 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

okay, here we go: sirius was from some kind of old aristocrat family, wasnt he? IF THAT'S NOT A MARGINALIZED COMMUNITY, I DONT KNOW WHAT IS! :D

[–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 11 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Billionaire is the most discriminated minority and so on.

[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 34 points 16 hours ago

liberals in literal nazi germany in 1938

“omg this is just like freaking harry potter!!!!”

[–] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 18 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I’ve seen multiple people on dating apps still including loving Harry Potter as part of their personality. In current year.

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 3 points 12 hours ago

Nice of them to self-select out like that, I suppose

[–] goose@hexbear.net 11 points 13 hours ago

Getting a lot of Boss Baby vibes from this reality

[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 17 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

biden is like Isshin Ashina and Hunter is Genichiro

trump is like the demon of hatred

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 8 points 13 hours ago

Hillary is Lady Tomoe.

[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 7 points 13 hours ago

where is the one armed wolf?

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 10 points 14 hours ago

there's a freaking shura in the white house

[–] AntifaSuperWombat@hexbear.net 34 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

[CW: Don’t click if you love yourself]

[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 27 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] AntifaSuperWombat@hexbear.net 12 points 15 hours ago

pucci-pose Art in its purest form!

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 22 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] AntifaSuperWombat@hexbear.net 24 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I SAID DON’T CLICK!

Stupid tankies never listen, smh.

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 22 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Uh, you said don't click -if you love yourself

[–] AntifaSuperWombat@hexbear.net 16 points 16 hours ago

STUPID TANKIES NEVER LISTEN! shoulder-grab

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 22 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

You're not fooling me, the one in the middle is the Angry Video Game Nerd.

[–] AntifaSuperWombat@hexbear.net 19 points 17 hours ago

That’s ’arry Po’uh. The greatest wizard cop and accidental slave liberator in the world. Have some respect! maddened

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 21 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

I'm gonna go off on a weird Harry Potter tangent now.

What the fuck is the mechanism behind house elves being freed if they're given a piece of clothing? Is it a charm or a legal regulation in the Wizarding world? Why have clothing be the thing that breaks the spell? What is this clothing centric slavery system all about? Do wizards have to do their own laundry because if they asked their slaves to do it they'd automatically be freed?

[–] AntifaSuperWombat@hexbear.net 29 points 16 hours ago

Alrighty... Did some digging into House-elf stuff and what I found is even more fucked up than I thought:

While there is Elf Legislation, including guidelines on house-elf welfare (and even an Office for House-Elf Relocation -.-), it seems that this whole slavery thing is self-imposed by an honor-code:

Quotes from the wiki article

House-elves were so intensely loyal to their masters that they would not allow themselves to be set free unless their master presented them with clothes and this loyalty, in and of itself, was something akin to a code of honour among their kind...

To symbolise their enslavement, house-elves usually wore makeshift clothes made with found objects such as pillowcases and rags. These clothes could become quite filthy, and yet the elf would not clean their clothes to further express that they had no needs which were not specifically commanded to them by the master. House-elves would punish, torture, or even maim themselves if they thought it would please the master.

Despite the seemingly horrid lifestyle that house-elves endured, house-elves seemed to actually enjoy being enslaved. With few exceptions (Dobby being one of them), house-elves would feel insulted if their master attempted to pay them, give them pensions, or reward their service with anything except kindness. In 1995, when Hermione Granger began hiding clothes in Gryffindor Tower in an attempt to free the house-elves of Hogwarts, the house-elves felt rather insulted, and everyone except Dobby refused to clean the Gryffindor common room in protest.

Winky was absolutely loyal to the Crouch family, and when she was dismissed for failure to keep Crouch Jnr under control, she suffered a mental breakdown, thinking that her release was the ultimate disgrace to her family.

They were likely treated extremely well by Professor Dumbledore. In 1994, they became angry with Hermione Granger as she made attempts to free them. Dobby and Winky, who came under Hogwarts's employ at the time, were considered disgraces to the rest of their colleagues due to Dobby being paid and receiving a vacation while Winky got drunk out of self-pity.

House-elves are freed when their master gives them a piece of clothing, this includes armour, but it seems that jewellery doesn't count, as Kreacher was not freed when Harry gave him Regulus Black's locket.

mystery-emote

And now for the REALLY fucked up thing:

[CW: most likely SA]It may be possible for elves to breed with humans as one Ravenclaw student stated that the students in the house thought Filius Flitwick was part elf, but had never been rude enough to ask (in fact Flitwick was part goblin). Irma Dugard was also described as a half-elf.
What the absolute fuck is wrong with Rowling’s brain? lea-breakdown

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 22 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Its TERF-Queen's half-assed memory of a fairy geas. This though implies that House-elves are Sidhe, and are thus deeply scary.

Now what I want to know is why the person being dunked on here thinks Trump's pardons feel like the shutting down of the infinite-torture prison.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 16 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

i mean, i think they are deeply scary. dont they have way more magic than the humans wizards? they just dont use it to kill every last wizard, for some reason. probably cos they're more moral creatures than humans, i dunno

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 16 points 16 hours ago

Once again asking all to embrace Marxism-Dobbyism and free the oppressed non-wizarding peoples of this earth from the tyrannical Mageocracy.

[–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 13 points 17 hours ago

Do wizards have to do their own laundry because if they asked their slaves to do it they'd automatically be freed?

Asking the real questions

[–] shath@hexbear.net 11 points 15 hours ago
[–] Civility@hexbear.net 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

:makhno-shining: