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[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 213 points 2 months ago (2 children)

honestly - while a Mac is certainly less painful to use than winshit, putting rubbish files recursively into each(!!) accessed folder, on all thumbdrives ever inserted, that's something Jobs deserves to burn in hell for.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 48 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

You'd want that, but a lot of programs do that, both in Windows and Linux.

e.g. The .directory files with the [Desktop Entry] spec by freedesktop.org
Dolphin has the option to enable/disable the feature

[–] lengau@midwest.social 47 points 2 months ago (1 children)

FWIW Dolphin only does it if the filesystem doesn't provide a way to add that metadata directly to the directory and you change the view configuration for that directory away from your standard configuration. Which is how the standard describes to do it. (Some file managers incorrectly add those .directory files to every directory you visit.)

A mac will add a .DS_Store file to any directory just by breathing on it.

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[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

today I learned - using Linux at home since 2005ish and I have never had an auto-file generated on any USB attached drives of mine...

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[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I am not familiar with MacOS, but that seems like a nightmare. What is the purpose of these files?

[–] vvv@programming.dev 56 points 2 months ago (2 children)

the macos file browser, Finder, lets you set a background for a folder, move file icons around to arbitrary positions, other shenanigans. in order for this to work across systems on removable storage media and network mounts, they have this.

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[–] dwemthy@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Iirc they're indexes for the system wide search feature, Spotlight

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Is there a valid reason not to store that [[anywhere else]], ideally in Spotlight's data?

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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 139 points 2 months ago (1 children)

See also: Let's roll our own .zip implementation that only Mac can reliably read for....reasons

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 77 points 2 months ago (1 children)

every time i get a zip file from a mac user it has a folder with random junk in it. what's up with that? i can open the files without it so clearly those files are unnecessary

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 77 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Metadata that's a holdover from the 1980s MacOS behavior. Hilariously, today, NTFS supports that metadata better than Apple's own filesystems of today. They can hide it in Alternate Data Streams.

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[–] Lazycog@sopuli.xyz 110 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Hmm.. Smells like a windows user aswell.. Look at that:

~~.desktop~~ desktop.ini

Edit: fixed the filename

[–] i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone 133 points 2 months ago (4 children)
[–] frisbeedude@feddit.org 15 points 2 months ago

ehthumbs_vista.db

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[–] Wolfizen@pawb.social 87 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] breakingcups@lemmy.world 54 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Lazycog@sopuli.xyz 21 points 2 months ago

Ah shit I've forgotten the ancient tablets, ill fix that thank you!

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I've caught the whiff of some Linux too...

lost+found

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[–] Hupf@feddit.org 101 points 2 months ago
[–] FQQD@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 82 points 2 months ago (4 children)

you should do this with every one of these cases. btw, where does .Trash-1000 actually come from?

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 87 points 2 months ago

Freedesktop.org’s trash specification. It’s where files moved to trash go before being deleted when it’s emptied. The 1000 is the user id.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 43 points 2 months ago

.Trash-999 was already taken by a metal band.

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I had a long and frustrating conflict with this, on this post.

As @d_k_bo@feddit.org (An dem Punkt könnten wir auch einfach Deutsch labern) noted, it's a freedesktop.org specification.

I still stand the point that it's not very thought through (a hidden dir? Why?), and that blindly implementing it is annoying. It shouldn't be a universal standard for all systems, as it's only relevant if you use a file manager which can then use that dir as Trash dir - which I don't. That could be tested by only allowing filemanagers to create the dir, and if it doesn't exist, discard the data. That's probably how some programs work, as only Prismlauncher has created the dir.

Workaround: ln -s .Trash-1000 /dev/null

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[–] moseschrute@lemmy.world 79 points 2 months ago (7 children)

…and whoever decided a file system should be case insensitive by default, I hate you.

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago (5 children)

What's the use case for case sensitive file names

[–] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 68 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (26 children)

Well an uppercase ASCII char is a different char than its lowercase counterpart. I would argue that not differentiating between them is an arbitrary rule that doesn't make any sense, and in many cases, is more computationally difficult as it involves more comparisons and string manipulations (converting everything to lower case).

And the result is that you ultimately get files with visually distinct names, that aren't actually treated as distinct, and so there is a disconnect from how we process information and how the computer is doing it.

'A' != 'a', they are just as unequal as 'a' and 'b'

Edit: I would say the use case is exactly the same as programming case sensitivity, characters have meaning and capitalizing them has intent. Casing strategies are immensely prevalent in programming and carry a lot of weight for identifying programmers' intent (properties vs backing fields as an example) similar intent can be shown with file names.

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[–] Speiser0@feddit.org 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Think the other way around: What's the use case for case insensitive file names? Does it justify the effort and complexity for the filesystem and the programs to know the difference between lower and upper space chars?

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

What’s the use case for case insensitive file names?

Human comprehension.

Readme, readme, README, and ReadMe are not meaningfully different to the average user.

And for dorks like us - oh my god, tab completion, you know I mean Documents, just take the fucking d!

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[–] polle@feddit.org 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The moment when you try to rename a folder in windows from Hello to hello and it doesn't work.

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[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 64 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

I would also like a word with “bonjour” process while we’re at it.

Thought it was a virus when I first discovered it.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 39 points 2 months ago (4 children)

"Bonjour, i'm here to fuck shit up"

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[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago
[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Would you have felt differently if it was called Rendezvous?

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Probably not. I know better then to trust the french /s

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Idk what all it does and doesn't do, but installing it in Windows lets you find your Raspberry Pi by its ".local" hostname. I know it was originally for printers or something.

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[–] burgermeister@lemm.ee 63 points 2 months ago

Every fucking folder in the file share has one of these

[–] Natanael@lemmy.zip 60 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I saw somebody with Nintendo .DS_store as a username

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[–] Cargon@lemmy.ml 50 points 2 months ago

Found one of these in the firmware zip file of my soundbar today.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 2 months ago (3 children)

defaults write com.apple.desktopservices DSDontWriteNetworkStores -bool TRUE

Helps a bit.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 42 points 2 months ago

__MACOSX folders hither and yon.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 29 points 2 months ago (20 children)

Just gitignore that. Same for dot idea and whatever vscode adds, if anything

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ya, but that .idea is not inserted in eleven thousand sub folders.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 14 points 2 months ago

It's not, but I still prefer not pushing my config on others, or others pushing theirs on me.

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[–] FatTony@lemm.ee 25 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I am not exactly a programmer. What is the .DS_Store file for?

[–] jwt@programming.dev 36 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 months ago

Kind of a mac's version of desktop.ini. Remembers layouts and other metadata about a folder.

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[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

As much as they love to sue people, I don't understand why Nintendo doesn't go after Apple for trademark infringement, so that they're forced to finally come up with a better method of storing folder attributes.

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