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Trump-backing Muslim voters finally realize they 'made a big mistake': expert (www.rawstory.com)

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 12 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Many of [the voters] stayed home, and some of them voted for Donald Trump," he said. "But they are now feeling very clearly that they made a big mistake. And, you know, sort of like the kid who gets in trouble and his parents send him to his room and he goes out there and starts throwing stuff around... in a pique of anger. All he's got is a mess and that's what we've got here.

Now that some of them have (maybe?) woken the hell up, I'd like to see a shit-ton of apologies from those that bought into the concerted gEnOcIdE narrative to put donvict into office.

I am pretty sure that most of those pushing that narrative are not going to apologize, because I know the type, and they are very stubborn. They pretty much got what they want - many of them are, at root, nihilists. And that's just the ones that are not Russian trolls, who have mostly clammed up for the time being.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 25 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

People here still blaming this on minority voters are deafeningly silent on party leadership holding the coalition hostage over AIPAC funding

Stop directing your anger at people being robbed of basic representation instead of political actors who are gleefully accepting blood money to turn against their constituents and a blind eye to genocide

[–] Darkhoof@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Please elaborate what the party leadership could've done differently to not alienate the other voting blocks mentioned.

[–] MJKee9@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I find arguments that the non-voters shouldn't be blamed for Trump because party leadership didn't properly encourage them to vote for Harris idiotic. Everyone has a duty to educate themselves about their vote. Shifting blame to the DNC is both patronizing and destructive. The DNC sucks.... You know who else sucks? people who didn't stand up against Trump. Those people are grown ass adults who actively helped a fascist by doing nothing but bitch.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I find arguments that the non-voters shouldn’t be blamed [...] idiotic

Please elaborate what the party leadership could’ve done differently to not alienate the other voting blocks

These two sentences are in contradiction

Here, see if you can spot the double standard:

"The [voters] suck… You know who else sucks? [the DNC] who didn’t stand up against [Israel]. Those people are grown ass adults who actively helped a fascist by doing nothing but bitch."

[–] MJKee9@lemmy.world 1 points 54 minutes ago

I don't understand. You are quoting two different posts, then concluding that two different people with different viewpoints represents a "double standard"... That is also an idiotic take.

With that said, OPs comment asking what the DNC could have done isn't contradictory or hypocritical if you put it alongside my viewpoint. It simply illustrates that you will never make every voter happy on every plank of your platform. We are all different people with different goals. Democracy is about compromise and understanding that the only way to eat an elephant is one bite at a time. Certain non-voters attitude became "because neither side aligns with my very specific interest, I'm just not voting! That'll show the Dems that they can't win unless they support [insert political viewpoint here].". To go back to my elephant analogy, it's like those people saying "I'm going to starve because i can't eat the elephant in one bite!"

So for some people, their line in the sand is a humanitarian Gaza policy, which will likely require a strong military presence to enforce ceasefires and aid deployment. For others it's a distaste for overseas military actions, and any intent to increase American involvement in the middle east. One side is pissed off and won't vote if it looks like you are abandoning Palestinians. The other side is pissed off if you suggest increasing military operations in the region, even if it's to deescalate Israeli aggression. You can't please both.

So voters from both of these camps chose to sit on their vote because they couldn't get what they wanted... In exchange they helped someone that is likely destructive to both camps' larger interests, as well as their specific interests discussed above, get elected. That is their right and choice. Just like it's my right and choice to call them out for supporting fascism through inaction.

Looking at it that way, I'm not sure how you could say our viewpoints are contradictory.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 1 hour ago

They could have defended the lives of Palestinians and acknowledged that the genocide was happening.

It was Biden's press secretary and SOS who got up on a podium everyday and assured the press and those "other voters" that Israel wasn't doing anything wrong. They drew that line themselves, not anyone who was protesting the genocide.

[–] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 4 hours ago (8 children)

We know they're war-criminals. There's still a difference between that and leveling the place for a hotel. Trump gleefully accepted $100m from Adelson for the west bank.

Stop assuming we're pro-dems and not just anti-trump.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Stop assuming we're pro-dems and not just anti-trump.

This is the shit that drives me nuts. No matter how many fucking times you explain it, they just cannot wrap their heads around this for some reason. Or they refuse to.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 5 points 4 hours ago

I'm not accusing anyone of being pro-dems, I'm pointing out that this line of reporting is intentionally misdirecting anger at voters - who can literally only react to the policies and governance of the democrats as they are - instead of the democrats sabotaging themselves for thinking they could have their cake and eat it too.

Thinking that the democrats could participate in a highly-publicized genocide and not lose any voters is folly, but then turning around blaming the voters for the loss of votes is beyond hubris and well into delusion. Anyone with eyes could see this loss coming from a mile away and was screaming at the democrats to change course.

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[–] Blackout@fedia.io 63 points 8 hours ago (19 children)

They aren't regretting here yet. I make comments about it and get brigade against. Hey Dearborn Palestinians for Trump: you guys were completely ignorant, ignored everything that man said, and still held out hope he would be better for your people for some god known reason. Ya fucked up.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

The election was three months ago. These constant attempts to relitigate it are just an attempt by the right to divide the left.

The truth is there is blame on both sides. Those who stayed home hold some responsibility, and the Biden admin is also to blame for shunning their own base.

But now we have bigger fish to fry. There's a constitutional crisis on, and a united front is needed against the right. Fuck the dividers. When someone tries to divide the left, call them out on it or downvote them to hell. They're either a conservative or a Russian troll.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The right didn’t need help to divide the left this election. The left did it itself. The American left splintered into toxic little sub groups who all hated each other, saw each other as unworthy allies and called each other fascists for being even slightly right or even left of each other. Meanwhile the right was unified and laughing at the left who so easily felll for the right’s manufactured war

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

They aren’t regretting here yet.

How many pro-trump muslims do you think exist on Lemmy?

Y'all are crying about demographic groups that are statistically nonexistent.

I guess libs are the real victims of the genocide that they support. \s

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[–] moshankey@lemmy.world 71 points 8 hours ago (6 children)

Awwww. Maybe if people actually had been reading the news they may have seen this coming. Now it’s only the leopards.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Yes ofc I saw this coming when the dems decided to support genocide. Another loser candidate. Who could be surprised?

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[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 30 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

Most muslims I know saw right through the bullshit, but it seems there is a growing dumb fringe in all communities. Two were very vocal about Biden but ultimately supported Kamala as (in their view) the obvious lesser evil. That even one would vote for the guy who put a ban on Muslims in his first term will always baffle me as the most stupid shit I've ever witnessed
Edit the n+1th most stupid after the nth things diaper don does

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 17 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

They didn’t need all Muslim voters.

They needed “enough” Muslim voters. They peeled some off. And some voters on the economy and some voters on other issues.

The glaring issue with Palestine is that they were basically silent on it. Harris needed some daylight with Biden, but she chose the VP hat over her candidate hat and kept her mouth shut. (Or she doesn’t disagree with biden’s response. Which would also be problematic…)

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 12 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

I was so happy when she took over because she'd have the freedom to distance herself from Biden on the issues that were killing him (apart from the obvious senility). Instead she just kept trying to make everyone knew she approved of everything he did. What a terrible terrible mistake.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 15 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

yeah, I'm with you on that.

She could have been respectful. "as VP it's my job to stand by my president, and I will continue to do that- as VP. but as a candidate? I gotta say here's how I will be doing things differently.... "

And lets just be completely honest with Biden on gaza- He spent most of that time giving Netanyahu a blow job even though Netty was fucking him over by supporting trump.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 8 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Which apart from the moral issues, really made it seem like he was not prepared to handle our current political situation. Netanyahu was lying to him over and over, clearly wanting to support his fellow far-right candidate, and Biden just blithely pretended they were the best of allies, never wanting to give any offense or entertain the thought that an Israeli leader might have his own agenda separate from the both us and the Israeli people.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

So, like I'm going to preface this with saying its open secrets, so these are only reported numbers. (that list is the top 20 from 1990 to 2024, and is specifically members of congress, so I'm not sure if it includes donations during his presidential campaigns.)

but like. As a member of congress, Biden received more money from pro-israel groups than any other candidate. To the tune of 4+ million. His loyalty was bought. it was bought a while ago.

[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago

Holy shit, almost double the next person. Dude is in the twilight of his career, he could have told them to fuck off with little consequences at this point.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

They didn’t need all Muslim voters.

They certainly acted like they wanted zero of them.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

Oh yeah.

the entire attitude was "Well, you're not gonna go vote for trump, so, lets go after people who will never vote for me, instead."

Which, I seem to recall trying to explain to Dems that this election was going to come down to who lost more of their base.... I hate being right.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It's a fringe that was a minority irrelevant to the election result but a favorite punching bag for liberals who'd rather do that than confront people in their own community and social networks. All the white racists they know get a pass, because they were just mistaken or misled, but they have passionate anger for minority voters who were witnessing an active genocide for not having 100% Democratic turnout.

[–] mriguy@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago

We need to be very clear that white people, in almost every demographic - men, women, 18-55, 55+, non-college educated went solidly, majority Trump. THAT is the biggest problem, and it’s what needs to be fixed if the Republicans are ever going to get dislodged. Blaming groups that “only” voted 75-80% Harris is not helpful, and is exactly the kind of unproductive sniping the Republicans encourage and celebrate when we do it.

If you are not a white male billionaire, and you voted for Trump, or didn’t vote, you’ve made life worse for yourself (and everybody else) in multiple, awful ways, and should feel stupid about it. I’m sure most people will figure that out eventually, even if it is too late. Asking people how Trump has made their life better rather than telling them they’re idiots will probably get them there faster.

The Democratic party’s strongest, winning platform would to directly address the needs of people who work for a living, which is basically everybody, as opposed to the current “we rig the economy for billionaires… LESS!” Yes, Biden actually did many good things for working people, but he mixed it in with enough fellating the 1% that is was easy to make the (correct) conclusion that the wasn’t all in on it. Heck, Trump actually said some of the right things on that front. He was obviously lying, and anybody with a memory better than a goldfish (less than half the voters it seems) knew that, but at least he pretended to care about it.

Democrats need to focus on that. If that messaging ever got going seriously, Republicans would be too busy panic screeching about communism to spend their time telling people which bathroom they could use. The reason making tje economy work for the 99% isn’t front and center is because neither the Republican nor the Democratic leadership will allow that conversation to happen.

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