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[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

And they can also continue to blame Biden.

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 2 points 4 hours ago

Yes, this is all they will do.

Shun them. Trump supporters are evil, try and avoid working for them or with them in any way. Don't talk to them. There is no need to be friendly. These people are actually supporting a Nazi revival.

[–] Devanismyname@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago

That and cons will always find a way to spin something to cause outrage and anger towards anyone but themselves.

[–] s0upybl00per@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Are we all just cowering down? Reading these comments makes it sounds like we should just all give up.

[–] confluence@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

All Trump's gotta do is blame the Dems. Already going that route

[–] civil_drive@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago

And his dumb ass parrots will repeat his lies forever no matter what evidence they’re presented with

[–] towelie@lemm.ee 26 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

Doubt, fortunately. The extremists will largely never be turned, but most Trump supporters are moderates who care more about their own well-being than solidarity with the group. Mussolini is a great example of how an idiot dictator can quickly fragment his supporters and end up in the streets

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 11 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

"You can't reason out of a position you didn't come to through reason."

They just hate for hate sake. It's time to come to terms that the dumb will not be saved by gentle parenting but need to be dragged into reality.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 hours ago

Sure, but most of Trump's voters did vote for him for a reason: their lives got noticeably harder under Biden. When their lives get even worse under Trump, they'll vote for another change of party.

The cultists waving Trump flags and buying Trump teddy bears and reading Trump bibles are fueled by identity politics, but the idea that the average Trump voter is one of those cultists is a lie that Trump would very much like you to believe

[–] cavtroop@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago

"quickly" only after massive damage is done.

[–] anas@lemmy.world 15 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Y’all learned nothing from the election if you’re still trying to turn them.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

not trying to turn them

trying to thin them.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I just encountered this last night with hardcore Trumper family members. They believe his tariffs are because the tariffed countries have their military subsidized by the American government and they need to pay their fair share. They think xwe're going to have to "feel a little pain" for a year or two, then "it" will be better. What is "it"? Who the hell knows. They certainly don't.

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

My dad isn’t a Trump supporter but he sure sounds like one. He’s fine with tariffs because “we won’t be paying them”. The underlying belief is that we shouldn’t import electricity or other goods, we should be producing our own, we should be self sustaining. And these tariffs are speeding up factories to open up in the states and produce US goods. The adjustment period (a few years at most) will be hard but worth it in the end - everything will be US made. Wohoo?

Never mind that our current infrastructure is crumbling and nothing is being done about it. And Trump is siphoning off any resources the us has. Never mind that many people today live paycheck to paycheck and as a result of this self imposed trade war will starve or freeze to death in the interim. Never mind that even if the US government decided to invest in this, it would take many many many decades to make US self sustaining, and once achieved prices will be higher than if we were to import the goods.

[–] seeigel@feddit.org 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 7 hours ago

That's a great read and makes a ton of sense. Thank you!

[–] Maxitlitflat@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Group think is bad. Larger the group the lower the IQ.

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Does that count here and on Reddit? Although I'll say here on Lemmy, folks are much more open to actual dialogue than on Reddit.

[–] Sektor@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

So like music, the more popular the simplest chords it has.

[–] Norgoroth@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

No, they're selfish and borderline retarded sheep. When a few retarded sheep start making the suffering noise, they'll all join the chorus because they don't have the capacity for independent thought

Reverse the kremlin playbook:

Talk to conservatives and be like: "Both side are the same, I'm voting Libertarian"

[–] Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago
[–] Vreyan31@reddthat.com 43 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There is no need to swing Trump voters over.

There are more citizens who did not vote at all who can be engaged with and energized - because these policies are going to fuck them too.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

We need to pretend to be conservative and be like: "I VOTED TRUMP AND HE DID NOTHING FOR ME, BOTH SIDE ARE THE SAME, I'M VOTING LIBERTARIAN 😡😡😡"

If half of conservatives voted a third party candidate, it would splinter the republican party.

Aka: the Reverse Kremlin stretegy

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

One danger, though: Trump’s campaign managers will try to swing them as well.

I am hopeful! But it will be a fight.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine both parties swinging to third party accidentally 😏 -> 1/4, 2/4, 1/4

Too good to be true, lol

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago

The cons will swing libertarian and the libs will swing socialist, and then we'll get a president that only 1/12th of the country actually voted for

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 91 points 1 day ago (12 children)

It's very frustrating.

What I've seen when I bring what's happening up to family members step one is denial "oh he's not doing that" step 2 is defend "well it's probably for the best, kids do yern for the mines".

Nothing is convincing.

[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I remember a moment before the election in 2016. A family member was going off on a Trump worshiping rant. I asked them what they thought of all the awful things that come out of his mouth. They responded with, "Oh, he's just saying that stuff because he likes to get attention."

I quoted a passage from Luke's gospel. "The good person out of the good treasure of the heart produces good, and the evil person out of evil treasure produces evil; for it is out of the abundance of the heart that the mouth speaks."

What happened next was amazing. They kind of paused and stared at their shoes with this expression that, if I could put words to it, would have said, "Shit. He's got me there. How do I get around this one?" They then looked up, physically shrugged it off; like water off a ducks back. That stopped the rant but I knew that If they had to choose between Jesus and this particular version of the anti-christ, their choice was already made and it wasn't Jesus.

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[–] TempleSquare@lemmy.world 60 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Stages of grief. Most are just getting to denial.

My 90 year old grandma has moved onto bargaining. She's trying to write a letter to DJT to "warn him about Musk"

Not bad progress, considering I couldn't get her to budge at all over the past decade.

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[–] Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

They are trash people who are lost causes

[–] DragonAce@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Believe it or not, there are already MAGA people pissed at him in hard red states/districts.

Yep, and they'll vote every Republican in again next time regardless.

99/100 of em are lost causes.

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[–] zyberteq@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If only they agreed that Social Security, Universal Healthcare and just being nice to each other is better for everyone.

If we try to increase the quality of life for everyone, we'll have a better world.

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[–] robotic_whale@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Not every Trump voter is a die hard MAGA, a large amount just don't pay attention and vote republican out of habit because the media has told them for decades that Republicans are better for the economy or just because that is the party their parents voted for.

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[–] aaron@infosec.pub 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

I doubt it will be noticeable overnight, but at least some of his supporters will be pushed into a degree of impoverishment that inhibits political engagement.

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[–] toaster@slrpnk.net 33 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I actually disagree.

There is a tipping point when MAGA followers are forced into situations where they must rely on their neighbour and mutual aid. They'll be forced out of necessity to interact with people across the aisle who are giving them compassion.

You're already seeing republicans flipping before that point from the DOGE cuts. Also, the governor of Kentucky is already flipping after their largest purchaser by a long-shot, Canada, took all their booze off the shelves.

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