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Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that Ukraine would have to make concessions over land that Russia had taken since 2014 as part of any agreement to end the war.

Mr. Rubio spoke as he was flying to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, for talks with senior Ukrainian officials, and 10 days after a contentious White House meeting between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. The Trump administration halted military aid to Ukraine after the blowup, which centered on Mr. Trump’s refusal to include any security guarantees in a proposed deal involving Ukraine’s natural resources.

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[–] turbulentMagma@lemm.ee 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 5 points 1 day ago

Most of our government seems to be.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Bin Laden defeated our freedom and Putin defeated our democracy.

We're such a pathetic nation of pussies. Home of the brave has to be the most ridiculous line in any anthem ever.

[–] punksnotdead@slrpnk.net 21 points 1 day ago

As Tywin Lannister said "Any man who must say, "I am the King", is no true king."

Any man who goes around telling everyone they're brave, probably isn't brave. In fact it's incredibly cringe.

A cringe country full of cringe people who say one thing but do another. Claim to stand for freedom, democracy, and liberty whilst oppressing all of those things both at home and abroad.

Land of the cowards.

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[–] CAVOK@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I propose Ukraine cede Kentucky to the Russians. Or maybe one of the Carolinas, I don't think the US really needs two of them.

[–] thebluehood_380@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

As a resident of one of those Carolinas: agreed.

[–] b0s@lemm.ee 24 points 1 day ago

So basically they (putin and trump) want more than 2022 borders. And let me guess, they also want sanctions eased and elections to install a pro-putin government? Ukraine should not make any deals with the US. The US admin is the enemy within and the enemy of democracy.
The ceasefire is just a step to get to the sanctions and elections demands. And once they have a "reason" to force those things then russia is set to continue their forever-war.

[–] taanegl@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Okay. Us Europeans want to cede Florida.

Come on now, Rubio. You're the one who opened up your big mouth.

[–] mycelium_underground@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] taanegl@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

The actual deterrent here being that Putin realizes he has to govern Florida and backs off Ukraine entirely.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago

No, it must not. If someone breaks into your house, is he allowed to keep the loot?

[–] PeteWheeler@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I am completely honest, this is an open question, why do we care what his opinion is? Does he hold any real power in this?

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The only territory that Ukraine has to cede is Kursk

Came to make the same comment. There can be concessions on both sides.

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[–] SwordOfOtto@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Russia must be quite desperate to put that much pressure on them

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 86 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Imagine a hypothetical scenario in which Mexico invades the United States, takes complete control over the state of New Mexico, and right in the middle of the conflict Great Britain says "the war needs to end", drafts a ceasefire proposal that allows them take control of half of the country's natural resources, and offers no security guarantees in the event that Mexico decides to attack again. If you refuse, the British will stop sending military aid to help you continue fighting. Oh, and Mexico gets to keep New Mexico.

Who in their right fucking mind thinks that this is a good deal? Any sensible person would rather continue fighting than give up their advantage for some flimsy ceasefire that won't stand up to an invader hellbent on conquest.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

And that's after Mexico violated a non-aggression pact and conquered Arizona.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Lol. Remember when a bunch of assholes voted 3rd party or didn't vote because they were upset with Democrat's handling of foreign affairs?

Clown country.

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[–] Jakule17@lemmy.world 47 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We don’t negotiate with terrorists my ass

MAGA is a terrorist organization. Their whole missguided ideology of "ruling by strength" is just another way of saying ruling by fear. Using fear/intimidation for a political outcome is by definition terrorism. If someone says it has to be illegal (not true) we can also show the number of arrests and violations of peoples legal rights occuring all over the U.S. Breaking laws pertaining to 1st amendment, 4th amendment, 5th amendment, 8th amendment, 9th amendment, 10th amendment, 14th amendment, 15th amendment, and the outright breaking of the law of the land (constitution) by overriding the legislature, which was the only thing keeping the U.S. a Republic.

The U.S. is negotiating with terrorists every day

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Does this shithead hold his cards face out when he plays poker?

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Fuckhead rubio needs to pull his head out of Putin's ass even if there is room in it for both him and the orange suppository

[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 118 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I miss the good old ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

If someone breaks into your house, kicks your dog and rapes your wife, you don’t negotiate to let them keep your TV. You shoot that fucker between the eyes. That’s what we need to be doing.

[–] commander@lemmings.world 67 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I miss the good old ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

Pretty sure that was only a thing in movies.

We negotiate with terrorists all the time.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

US literally funds terrorists, gives them weapons, and gives them CIA training to do terrorism. It's like all these terrorist leaders went to the same school, of Americas.

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[–] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Never thought I would miss Dubya

[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Heck, I’ll take any president who lived during my lifetime over Trump.

Dubya definitely got rehabilitated the past decade in many people’s eyes. Of course, he’s still… probably… a war criminal over the whole Iraq / war on terror situation. But I certainly understand the average American wanting him over Trump. I miss when the worst thing a president did was misspeak like his ‘fool me once’.

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)
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[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 319 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 137 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yep, it's treason. And it's not just one guy.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

An entirely treasonous party.

If you support a traitor, you are a traitor.

The old Republican party is dead. Now it's only grifters and sycophants who are 100% willing to be treasonous to get what they want.

And so far the "land of the brave" is rolling over and letting them do it.

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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 265 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Someone should invade Rubio's house and demand the deed to one of his rooms before they'll leave.

[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (20 children)

I don't see any peace deal unless there is security guarantees, it is not peace without guarantees.

This just embolden russia to rape Ukraine again for more lands. Marco Rubio is promoting a forever war.

Ukraine guarantees were taken away when the nukes were taken away.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 155 points 3 days ago (2 children)

FUCK YOU LITTLE MARCO

shithead.

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[–] rylock@lemm.ee 138 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

"Turns out, Russia doesn't want to concede anything and demanded more Ukrainian land. Well, we tried. Clearly, it's high time for Ukraine to stop getting in the way of peace."

  • Little Marco in a week
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[–] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 44 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Without security guarantees, this isn't a "peace" deal, it's a capitulation and an invitation for future aggression from Russia.

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